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 cryrst  The garden of England 16 Mar 20 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises. Why did we have a brexit vote then?
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the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 16 Mar 20 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises. Remain LOST....get over it!!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Remain LOST....get over it!! What I said had nothing whatsoever to do with the result of the referendum. It was only about borders.
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Teddy Eagle  16 Mar 20 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What I said had nothing whatsoever to do with the result of the referendum. It was only about borders. The same EU that criticised Trump for closing American borders last week?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 20 11.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The same EU that criticised Trump for closing American borders last week? That wasn't the point I made was it? I was looking back to the way the Brexiteers all talked as though the EU now controlled everything and that the individual nations had been emasculated. This proves they haven't. To deal with your separate point, the EU's complaint seemed more about a lack of consultation and co-ordination than any real issue with the thinking behind it. In typical Trump style he tried to boost himself by suggesting the USA was doing this only because the Europeans had failed to do enough and that he, Trump, was taking decisive action. That's not the right approach is it? We are all in this together and point scoring is not going to solve anything or save a single life.
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Mar 20 12.29am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That wasn't the point I made was it? I was looking back to the way the Brexiteers all talked as though the EU now controlled everything and that the individual nations had been emasculated. This proves they haven't. To deal with your separate point, the EU's complaint seemed more about a lack of consultation and co-ordination than any real issue with the thinking behind it. In typical Trump style he tried to boost himself by suggesting the USA was doing this only because the Europeans had failed to do enough and that he, Trump, was taking decisive action. That's not the right approach is it? We are all in this together and point scoring is not going to solve anything or save a single life. Your original point was that the UK would be better with a common approach with Europe - how does the fact Italy, Spain, Germany and France are all making different decisions at different times reflect this common approach?
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 17 Mar 20 8.00am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Your original point was that the UK would be better with a common approach with Europe - how does the fact Italy, Spain, Germany and France are all making different decisions at different times reflect this common approach? Trump closed his borders to Europe but not the UK at first then back tracked, and I don't think the EU planners had plague in mind when they were considering the pros and cons of subsidiarity versus intra-nationalism.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Mar 20 8.36am |
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There's zero shock to Eurosceptics.....We have been pointing out for decades how some countries bend and twist rules to suit themselves.....The whole thing has been a partial joke since it started. We see that some EU countries.....where the EU isn't that popular anyway....are ignoring EU attempts at a common approach and it kind of argues against the point of the EU. You either believe in the EU or you don't.....the reality is that these countries are acting in their own self interest. Plainly the most commonsense approach for individual countries is to give two fingers to a centralised body that is telling you to take one for the team. No, a nation's primary interest is to its own subjects/citizens.....just like your primary interest is to your family's children first.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Mar 20 10.33am |
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Does von der Leyen play the fiddle?
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 17 Mar 20 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It just wasn't "that simple" though was it? It really is that simple. We had a vote, which saw the biggest turn out we’ve had for generations. The result was Leave. This result was then further repeated with the European Elections and overwhelmingly endorsed in December with the General Election result. The Conservative Party then, true to their word and true to their manifesto on which they were elected, took us out of the EU. Anyone who says it wasn’t that simple is just in denial and that isn’t meant as a dig at you, it’s just stating the obvious. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were many strands which, when knitted together, meant we ended up with the kind of deal we got and an 80 majority Tory government of the type we have. This I’m afraid is just wishy washy guff and I have no idea what any of it actually means. I don’t see this as getting into an argument (as you put it) but a reasoned debate and one in which when someone posts something which is really so wide of the mark is rightly called out for it, the comments questioned/qualified and where necessary those comments rebuked.
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Mar 20 11.20am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As an ardent Brexiteer I must agree with you as there are far more important things going on that need the undivided attention of both the UK Government and the EU
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Mar 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Does von der Leyen play the fiddle? In an Irish band
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