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cryrst The garden of England 27 Feb 20 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It doesnt really matter if we are in a better position out of the EU.
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Matov 28 Feb 20 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Throw in this coronavirus outbreak along with Turkey making noises about opening the illegal migrant flood-gates once more and 2020 is not looking rosy for Brussels. Economic sensibilities should suggest a deal can be done but I suspect Brussels do not want one. This is all about them acting the tough guy. Waste of time even talking to them. The UK should be preparing for a Granite Brexit as the default.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Feb 20 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Throw in this coronavirus outbreak along with Turkey making noises about opening the illegal migrant flood-gates once more and 2020 is not looking rosy for Brussels. Economic sensibilities should suggest a deal can be done but I suspect Brussels do not want one. This is all about them acting the tough guy. Waste of time even talking to them. The UK should be preparing for a Granite Brexit as the default.
The pro EU camp will never learn. I suspect you are right that the EU still wants to punish us and is afraid if we get a good deal it will lead to the breakup of the EU. However there hardline may end up doing exactly what they don't want. Just a guess on my part but imagine 2/3 years down the road of a no deal Brexit: - UK doing okay On the other hand the EU could just give us a good deal, the bureaucrats and politicians will grumble but the UK getting a good deal is not a burning issue with the EU voters. The EU gets over it and moves on with it's happy clappy plans. Edited by Badger11 (28 Feb 2020 10.20am)
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 28 Feb 20 11.20am | |
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The EU is under huge threat of a break up if the effects of the coronavirus continue much longer. The last meaningful General Elections (Germany, France, Holland and Austria) all occurred in 2017 and the Nationalist parties were largely soundly beaten. However, they were, and remain, quite strong opposition parties. History shows that the incumbent government, of any colour or political persuasion, gets blamed by the electorate for recessions. If this current crisis continues much longer, bearing in mind banks and governments can't find a cure by simply reducing interest rates (especially when, in most cases, they're already negative or close to negative) then the world is heading towards a global recession, quite possibly at least as bad as the one that followed the Financial Crisis in 2008. And the next round of European elections will arrive slap bang into, or soon after it. Who is in opposition to step forward? Eurosceptic parties. It's also why any talk of the Trade War has disappeared quicker than a Benteke scoring spree. Trump needs to avoid a recession this year to get re-elected, but the shorter timeframe is in his favour. It's not in the EU's. So, ironically, the beginning of the end for the EU may be caused, not by Brexit, but by a strange bug from inland China that was able to spread worldwide through a combination of globalisation, open borders, and rank bad luck and timing.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Feb 20 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
The EU is under huge threat of a break up if the effects of the coronavirus continue much longer. The last meaningful General Elections (Germany, France, Holland and Austria) all occurred in 2017 and the Nationalist parties were largely soundly beaten. However, they were, and remain, quite strong opposition parties. History shows that the incumbent government, of any colour or political persuasion, gets blamed by the electorate for recessions. If this current crisis continues much longer, bearing in mind banks and governments can't find a cure by simply reducing interest rates (especially when, in most cases, they're already negative or close to negative) then the world is heading towards a global recession, quite possibly at least as bad as the one that followed the Financial Crisis in 2008. And the next round of European elections will arrive slap bang into, or soon after it. Who is in opposition to step forward? Eurosceptic parties. It's also why any talk of the Trade War has disappeared quicker than a Benteke scoring spree. Trump needs to avoid a recession this year to get re-elected, but the shorter timeframe is in his favour. It's not in the EU's. So, ironically, the beginning of the end for the EU may be caused, not by Brexit, but by a strange bug from inland China that was able to spread worldwide through a combination of globalisation, open borders, and rank bad luck and timing. Last night the European Banking Federation issued a plea to the EU not to take a hardline with the UK. The Europeans hate it but London is the centre for business to raise finance in Europe and putting restrictions on that will hurt the City but also businesses in the EU.
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cryrst The garden of England 28 Feb 20 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
The EU is under huge threat of a break up if the effects of the coronavirus continue much longer. The last meaningful General Elections (Germany, France, Holland and Austria) all occurred in 2017 and the Nationalist parties were largely soundly beaten. However, they were, and remain, quite strong opposition parties. History shows that the incumbent government, of any colour or political persuasion, gets blamed by the electorate for recessions. If this current crisis continues much longer, bearing in mind banks and governments can't find a cure by simply reducing interest rates (especially when, in most cases, they're already negative or close to negative) then the world is heading towards a global recession, quite possibly at least as bad as the one that followed the Financial Crisis in 2008. And the next round of European elections will arrive slap bang into, or soon after it. Who is in opposition to step forward? Eurosceptic parties. It's also why any talk of the Trade War has disappeared quicker than a Benteke scoring spree. Trump needs to avoid a recession this year to get re-elected, but the shorter timeframe is in his favour. It's not in the EU's. So, ironically, the beginning of the end for the EU may be caused, not by Brexit, but by a strange bug from inland China that was able to spread worldwide through a combination of globalisation, open borders, and rank bad luck and timing. Karma!
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.TUX. 28 Feb 20 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
The EU is under huge threat of a break up if the effects of the coronavirus continue much longer. The last meaningful General Elections (Germany, France, Holland and Austria) all occurred in 2017 and the Nationalist parties were largely soundly beaten. However, they were, and remain, quite strong opposition parties. History shows that the incumbent government, of any colour or political persuasion, gets blamed by the electorate for recessions. If this current crisis continues much longer, bearing in mind banks and governments can't find a cure by simply reducing interest rates (especially when, in most cases, they're already negative or close to negative) then the world is heading towards a global recession, quite possibly at least as bad as the one that followed the Financial Crisis in 2008. And the next round of European elections will arrive slap bang into, or soon after it. Who is in opposition to step forward? Eurosceptic parties. It's also why any talk of the Trade War has disappeared quicker than a Benteke scoring spree. Trump needs to avoid a recession this year to get re-elected, but the shorter timeframe is in his favour. It's not in the EU's. So, ironically, the beginning of the end for the EU may be caused, not by Brexit, but by a strange bug from inland China that was able to spread worldwide through a combination of globalisation, open borders, and rank bad luck and timing. I agree with the sentiment but it'll be far worse than '08 due to the fact that the debt is far far greater. There is no other conclusion. The fiat based system died in '08. The same system has been (wrongly) kept afloat ever since through financial engineering favouring those who caused the problem and cost-cutting (austerity) for the innocent.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Feb 20 4.21pm | |
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The structure of the talks between UK and the EU will be 11 simultaneous meetings covering key areas. What I found interesting was that the EU wanted to include foreign policy and defence, and the UK declined and quite right. Have they learned nothing? The EU is overreaching itself we have NATO for European defence and our foreign policy may well coincide with the EU aims but that is a matter for the UK government we are not their lapdogs. Edited by Badger11 (28 Feb 2020 4.22pm)
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corkery Cork City 28 Feb 20 5.11pm | |
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Another surge of refugees and illegal immigrants heading for Bulgaria and Greece. If they don't do something urgently about this surge then members will ignore EU directives.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Feb 20 5.41pm | |
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Originally posted by corkery
Another surge of refugees and illegal immigrants heading for Bulgaria and Greece. If they don't do something urgently about this surge then members will ignore EU directives. I assume you are referring to this. I'm sure the EU countries will be very helpful to the refugees "The UK is that way" Edited by Badger11 (28 Feb 2020 5.42pm)
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Mar 20 9.53pm | |
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Greece has stopped processing refuges.
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dannyboy1978 02 Mar 20 7.15am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Greece has stopped processing refuges. Farage was right,
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