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 cpfc_chap  koh samui 25 Feb 20 9.15am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11
No I think I said short term visa. So you will be able to visit the EU multiple times over 2 years before renewing. I'm not sure they have decided the length of each stay but likely to be 30-90 days. This could all change depending on negotiations. Don't think the visa for EU will bother the 20% of holiday makers who travel abroad each yeaf. The UK still has a lot of people who have never left Britain for a holiday.
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11
My relatives are trapped in Tenerife due to the sandstorm. My neighbours flew out to Lanzarote on Sunday. Whilst their flights weren't disrupted the air was orange so they felt obliged to spend the best part of the day inside in the bar. The hardships that some people have to put up with
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| Midlands Eagle 25 Feb 20 9.17am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Don't think the visa for EU will bother the 20% of holiday makers who travel abroad each yeaf. The UK still has a lot of people who have never left Britain for a holiday. 20% of the population is still about 14m which is a heck of a lot of tourists with Euros to spend.
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| .TUX. 25 Feb 20 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Would you rather do that or watch your economy tank? It's already been tanking for a decade, just not as quickly as the EU economy.
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| Matov 25 Feb 20 10.32am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11
... but you get the idea 13mm trips to Spain alone they might want to think about that before pushing the Gibraltar agenda.
Edited by Badger11 (25 Feb 2020 7.47am) Gibraltar is froth. Yes, it is a thorn in Spains side and makes for a good old rant to stir up the voters but the reality is that the issue is settled. The populace do not want to be part of Spain and on a wider strategic level NATO needs the UK running the show. There will be a lot of noise about it but ultimately Spain will back down because what does it stand to gain? Swapping our wealthy pensioners for a load of young people adding to its already horrendous Youth Unemployment figures? Nah. Spain is a piece on the board being played by others.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Feb 20 10.37am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Matov
Gibraltar is froth. Yes, it is a thorn in Spains side and makes for a good old rant to stir up the voters but the reality is that the issue is settled. The populace do not want to be part of Spain and on a wider strategic level NATO needs the UK running the show. There will be a lot of noise about it but ultimately Spain will back down because what does it stand to gain? Swapping our wealthy pensioners for a load of young people adding to its already horrendous Youth Unemployment figures? Nah. Spain is a piece on the board being played by others. Agreed same with Greece they have lost their marbles literally and figuratively pretty much their only export is tourism and shipping not a good hand to play with us.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 Feb 20 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That piece is a very good read. We all need to laugh at the current fiasco or we would have to cry. British black humour at it's best. Surprised you are happy to use such a term, shouldn't all humour just be described as humour. Some may take exception to your use of the word black!!
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| Matov 25 Feb 20 1.11pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed same with Greece they have lost their marbles literally and figuratively pretty much their only export is tourism and shipping not a good hand to play with us. I suspect that both Gib and these Marbles are nothing to do with the UK but primarily to do with stoking up support within the EU. Brussels knows that its biggest weakness is a collapse from within. Its only strength, and let us not underestimate it, is that if it can speak as one for the rest of the EU then it does wield a big stick but that is also its inherent structural problem. It will not take much for it all to fall apart and where I suspect HMG can play it well. A WTO exit hurts both sides. But Brussels has to be seen as a separate entity. It is not acting in the interests of the EU member states but protecting its very existence. That is what makes the talks so difficult/interesting. Hence why I suspect that talks will break down quickly. I suspect Brussels still has not quite grasped the reality of what happened in December. What that majority means for Johnson and what it was built upon. There is simply no electoral downside for Johnson in playing the hardest of balls with Brussels. And for Johnson this is now all about him winning again in 2024. That is what cements politicians legacies. Repeated electoral success.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Feb 20 3.19pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Matov
I suspect that both Gib and these Marbles are nothing to do with the UK but primarily to do with stoking up support within the EU. Brussels knows that its biggest weakness is a collapse from within. Its only strength, and let us not underestimate it, is that if it can speak as one for the rest of the EU then it does wield a big stick but that is also its inherent structural problem. It will not take much for it all to fall apart and where I suspect HMG can play it well. A WTO exit hurts both sides. But Brussels has to be seen as a separate entity. It is not acting in the interests of the EU member states but protecting its very existence. That is what makes the talks so difficult/interesting. Hence why I suspect that talks will break down quickly. I suspect Brussels still has not quite grasped the reality of what happened in December. What that majority means for Johnson and what it was built upon. There is simply no electoral downside for Johnson in playing the hardest of balls with Brussels. And for Johnson this is now all about him winning again in 2024. That is what cements politicians legacies. Repeated electoral success. The problem for Brussels is that they chose a hard ball negotiating team.....that has effectively lost them May and given them Johnson. Has that penny dropped yet?.....I don't think so. So when they have their meet up for devising their coming strategy they are going to have to understand that WTO is far more accepted now on the British side because we have those 80 seats. If they continue with playing the same team with the same tactics then it's saying they are ok with WTO....So then lets get to WTO rather than all this ball tickling. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2020 3.21pm)
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| Matov 25 Feb 20 4.30pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Has that penny dropped yet?.....I don't think so.
Issue for me is that I am convinced they are simply unable to comprehend it. That Brexit came as such a huge blow to them, primarily because of the role the UK played in terms of being not only a net contributor but its markets as essentially prime outlets for European goods along with absorbing a % of the EU's wider unemployment problem that they cannot got their heads around it. Now in terms of having our 'star' on their flag then I suspect they do not care. We were always a drag in terms of our refusal to play along with the wider project goals so no great loss. And just losing the likes of Farage from their Parliament is probably a win enough. His was the most charismatic voice of dissent with videos of his speeches attracting huge numbers of non-UK views. But losing our contributions and our markets? Or having to complete in them on an equal footing with other nations? That fills them with real dread. The problem was that May's government was so rubbish allied with a Parliament willing to go to any lengths to scupper Brexit that they were perfectly logical to assume their will would triumph. Now though...I would love to write that wiser heads will prevail but I suspect they lack the cerebral capacity at the highest levels. Trapped by their federalist dogma.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Feb 20 11.37am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle A good opening position from our government. Of course we will have to compromise on certain items and if we are exporting to the EU we have to abide by their standards and vice versa. However their idea of a level playing field actually means that we have have to use EU rules when negotiating with other countries and that is not independence that is keeping us trapped in the EU.. I think the June deadline is sensible if the EU will not budge on it's red lines just walk away and focus on other countries. The deal doesn't have to be done but the major points agreed in principle. Likewise if a deal is almost finalised and they need another month it would be churlish of Boris not to extend until January 2021. I hope that the national governments, business and unions will now start to put pressure on the EU bureaucrats, posturing is one thing but when it may cost you jobs and money when the EU is currently floundering common sense should prevail.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 27 Feb 20 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Issue for me is that I am convinced they are simply unable to comprehend it. That Brexit came as such a huge blow to them, primarily because of the role the UK played in terms of being not only a net contributor but its markets as essentially prime outlets for European goods along with absorbing a % of the EU's wider unemployment problem that they cannot got their heads around it. Now in terms of having our 'star' on their flag then I suspect they do not care. We were always a drag in terms of our refusal to play along with the wider project goals so no great loss. And just losing the likes of Farage from their Parliament is probably a win enough. His was the most charismatic voice of dissent with videos of his speeches attracting huge numbers of non-UK views. But losing our contributions and our markets? Or having to complete in them on an equal footing with other nations? That fills them with real dread. The problem was that May's government was so rubbish allied with a Parliament willing to go to any lengths to scupper Brexit that they were perfectly logical to assume their will would triumph. Now though...I would love to write that wiser heads will prevail but I suspect they lack the cerebral capacity at the highest levels. Trapped by their federalist dogma.
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