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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Apr 15 4.39pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 3.59pm
I want to live under a British human rights act, not a European one. I also don't like the highest court being a European one....I think a British citizen/subject's highest legal recourse should be a British one. It is and it isn't, a case is referred to the European court on a point of conflict, where two legal definitions are at odds, typcially this involves a conflict between individual rights and the authority of the state. Typically they provide a definition for a country to accept or reject. Its generally the Judicary that will accept a ruling, rather than the state, in a case and thus set prescident. Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 3.59pm
The lack of representation....I didn't ask for EU politicians setting laws that I have to abide by and that right to have a say in your rulers has been taken away from me.....The lack of democracy in general. Problem is that MEP's are more democratically elected than the representatives of the House of Commons and the House of Lords, as its by proportional representation. I didn't ask to be a part of the UK, many things preceed us. EU laws also don't tend to incumber soverignity either. The only big issue of that would be the Human Rights Act of 1998, which simply ratified a number of assumptions of rights in British law into actual legislation and made it easier to bring a violation of those rights to court (years rather than decades). Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 3.59pm
The metric system....It's a better system than the imperial system that frankly that's not the point. I like my feet and inches ounces and pounds and I don't like being forced to also see another system.....Shop keepers should be allowed to choose which one they use instead of being forced to also use metric. Its a better system (and a more accurate and translatable one). Its also the system of scientific measurement, which lends it a lot of credence. Of course, I quite agree that people should have the right to list in imperial as well, if they so desire. Imperial as a system of measurement was becoming redundent anyhow, and required people to learn two systems, one convulted and absurd, the other based on a consistant structural form (base 10). Having had to learn both at school, I object to the idea of imperial as having any value at all other than being different for it own sake (because to pass chemistry, maths, phsyics etc I still needed to learn metric anyhow). Probably the most important rationalisation of the UK was into systems of common mathematical calculation and measurements (base 10). Exactly what the EU should be doing (introducing common means of communication and commerce between memberstates). Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 3.59pm
The Euro....The crazy love affair the federalists had with us joining this currency....The tales of doom we were sold....It annoys me.....How does it affect me now....Well by existing in its current form it makes a successful growing EU impossible....Instead it just keeps Germany strong and the poorer reliant countries poor......Contrary to stereotypes, being opposed to the EU how it is doesn't mean you wish ill on European countries....Quite the opposite, they are westerners and hence our brothers. A great example of the EU in action, good ideas, turned into political ideology rather than pragmatism. The idea of a single currency is a great one, the decision to let one trick mickey mouse ecconomies in to it was ideological over pragmatic and ultimately built a house of cards (in reality many of the infamous million note ecconomies generally used DM and Dollers rather than their own currency anyhow). And here in lies my problem with the EU, its too interested in the politics of the EU, rather than the economic and social long term interests of its member nations. Realistically, it should be doing the one thing that short term democracys suck at; long term goals and strategies, that improve the lot of its member states and its citizens. Not acting as a means of providing cheap labour, rather resolving issues between member states, and nation and citizen, whilst capitalising on a trading bloc of monumental size.
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 4.36pm
The court of human rights has affected you negatively?
If you don't care for them, that's for you.
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EricYoung'sSweatBand 07 Apr 15 4.44pm | |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 4.34pm
In what way would leaving the EU fix these problems in your life?
I've explained in the posts where I disagree with these policies. I don't know...off the top of my head....Mmmmm...Apart from the housing and infrastructure crises....The Euro not crashing might have kept me in my job. The other aspects are more....I don't know....How should I say this....Against my political beliefs perhaps.
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 4.49pm | |
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Quote legaleagle at 07 Apr 2015 4.17pm
Ok. So, Poland,for example, is included then as being in your view "our brothers".
With the caveat that some brothers are closer than others....For example, America is pretty close as a 'brother' western nation and culture.
Can think of plenty of nations ahead of them in the brotherly stakes. Every country has its differences and negatives....Though I probably wouldn't agree with that rather limited description of what America is and represents. If you feel more connected to other nations more, that's fine Kermy....But for me America is probably the nation I feel closest too.
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 5.00pm | |
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In what way would leaving the EU fix these problems in your life?
I've explained in the posts where I disagree with these policies. I don't know...off the top of my head....Mmmmm...Apart from the housing and infrastructure crises....The Euro not crashing might have kept me in my job. The other aspects are more....I don't know....How should I say this....Against my political beliefs perhaps.
This isn't about you sympathizing. This is about you trying to portray my issues with the EU as somehow unworthy of opposition to it....So you are firstly ignoring issues and then attempting to downplay others. It's pointless. Like I've tried to explain to you Eric....The Euro system crashing affected this country financially and to an extent me personally jobwise. The housing crises, caused in part by the EU, affected my living arrangements in the past. European laws force us to use metric. The EU won't allow trade without using metric. Apparently according to you me not being happy with the laws I live under isn't a negative for me. I don't think that's a rational argument. In fact Eric....I reckon you should become an pro EU MEP....Because you don't appear to listen to what anyone who disagrees with you are saying.
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 5.12pm | |
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It's a good post Jamie.....I suppose I can only say: You are free to 'unstate' yourself. You should do it Jamie because it would be more honest really.....Though you would have to leave of course and take on another citizenship because that's how the world tends to work. MEPs aren't more democratic......Referendums probably come closest to original Athenian democracy. What systems leads to being the most democratic comes down directly to your personal vision of democracy. I think proportional representation while being a fairer system leads to far worse actual representation.....Look to Italy. Yes, metric is better....But bollocks to it....It should come down to choice for things like shopkeepers. I'd just teach imperial in schools personally....America has some of the best scientific institutions in the world....Using imperial doesn't hold them back and it's a part of theirs and our heritage.....As their system comes from here of course. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2015 5.15pm)
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EricYoung'sSweatBand 07 Apr 15 5.14pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 5.00pm
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 4.34pm
In what way would leaving the EU fix these problems in your life?
I've explained in the posts where I disagree with these policies. I don't know...off the top of my head....Mmmmm...Apart from the housing and infrastructure crises....The Euro not crashing might have kept me in my job. The other aspects are more....I don't know....How should I say this....Against my political beliefs perhaps.
This isn't about you sympathizing. This is about you trying to portray my issues with the EU as somehow unworthy of opposition to it....So you are firstly ignoring issues and then attempting to downplay others. It's pointless. Like I've tried to explain to you Eric....The Euro system crashing affected this country financially and to an extent me personally jobwise. The housing crises, caused in part by the EU, affected my living arrangements in the past. European laws force us to use metric. The EU won't allow trade without using metric. Apparently according to you me not being happy with the laws I live under isn't a negative for me. I don't think that's a rational argument. In fact Eric....I reckon you should become an pro EU MEP....Because you don't appear to listen to what anyone who disagrees with you is saying. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2015 5.01pm) Of course not being happy affects how you feel but I still don't see how the human rights act or metric system made your life worse. Something must have happened for you to curse the fact that humans are given basic human rights
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 5.21pm | |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 5.14pm
Of course not being happy affects how you feel but I still don't see how the human rights act or metric system made your life worse. Something must have happened for you to curse the fact that humans are given basic human rights I explained in a previous post about Metric....I'll do it again Eric. Having metric signs up in shops reminds me that my government doesn't set the laws under which I live. I don't like the pooling of sovereignty that this version of the EU represents. As for not wanting a European human rights bill....We never needed one in the first place. Our legal system did that quite adequately. This country didn't require foreign judges and doesn't now. If you can't really see why I hold the politics that I do....That's ok Eric, it's not a requirement.
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EricYoung'sSweatBand 07 Apr 15 5.22pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 5.21pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 5.14pm
Of course not being happy affects how you feel but I still don't see how the human rights act or metric system made your life worse. Something must have happened for you to curse the fact that humans are given basic human rights I explained in a previous post about Metric....I'll do it again Eric. Having metric signs up in shops reminds me that my government doesn't set the laws under which I live. I don't like the pooling of sovereignty that this version of the EU represents. As for not wanting a European human rights bill....We never needed on in the first place. Our legal system did that quite adequately. This country didn't require foreign judges and doesn't now. If you can't really see why I hold the politics that I do....That's ok Eric, it's not a requirement. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2015 5.21pm)
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 5.31pm | |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 07 Apr 2015 5.22pm
Ok fine. There's not a single law that has been passed in Europe that has made your life worse. Not one. I'll say it again. Like I said, its laws on freedom of movement have affected me and its creation of the Euro...Which is a legal creation has also affected me. How I feel about the laws that govern me matters. Never mind you just ignore all this anyway. I don't accept your opinion of how I should regard the affect of the EU upon my life. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2015 5.32pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Apr 2015 5.12pm
It's a good post Jamie.....I suppose I can only say: You are free to 'unstate' yourself. You should do it Jamie because it would be more honest really.....Though you would have to leave of course and take on another citizenship because that's how the world tends to work. MEPs aren't more democratic......Referendums probably come closest to original Athenian democracy. What systems leads to being the most democratic comes down directly to your personal vision of democracy. I think proportional representation while being a fairer system leads to far worse actual representation.....Look to Italy. Yes, metric is better....But bollocks to it....It should come down to choice for things like shopkeepers. I'd just teach imperial in schools personally....America has some of the best scientific institutions in the world....Using imperial doesn't hold them back and it's a part of theirs and our heritage.....As their system comes from here of course. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Apr 2015 5.15pm) I'm sure the Labour SNP government will agree with you .
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Stirlingsays 07 Apr 15 5.33pm | |
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Quote imbored at 07 Apr 2015 5.32pm
I'm sure the Labour SNP government will agree with you .
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