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Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Feb 20 7.18am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My views are my own.

Of course they are as no-one else would want them

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 22 Feb 20 8.05am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course not. Everyone means exactly what it says. If remaining had been the decision then I would still have argued for PR and the need for UKIP supporters to have a voice in Parliament. That's where these issues need to be aired and decided. Not here or in the media.

I did not call everyone here a bigot did I? Someone called me one which was a very unusual thing for me. All I said was that it at least made me feel at home here, because there are a few I would so describe. Who those are will remain with me! Not that everyone here is one.

My views are my own.

When you were refered to as a bigot, you said it would make you feel at home here, thus implying there were many bigots on the site.....you just like stirring s*** on here dont you? Back I go to ignoring you, trying to debate with you is like arguing with porridge...you only ever see one side of the argument...YOURS!!

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 22 Feb 20 8.11am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have always rejected the concept of a referendum result throwing up a winner or a loser. Especially one this close. All it does is show where the balance of opinion lies. All opinions need to be respected and compromises sought as a consequence. To speak of winners and losers is to divide the people and that is exactly what has happened.

It is far from just my opinion that Brexit wasn't a wise decision. Many far more knowledgeable than me about economics and national security have expressed grave concerns

Too often the leavers have tried to taunt those who voted to remain with this assertion and tried to blame them for the divide. How often have we heard "suck it up, losers"? You do it again in your comment above.

It isn't true and it isn't healthy. .

Most of all it's very juvenile.

So what is a referendum then? Why have one if the result means nothing?? Brexit is happening whether you like it or not...I said loser because that is what you are....remain 48% Leave 52% so remain LOST!! Maths not your strong point is it?? 48 is smaller than 52 in most peoples world, not in truro apparently....Think you should realise that a football forum isnt the place to spout your views on politics, there are more suitable places to do this....try your Labour websites, write to Jeremy, he may be interested,..Goodbye loser!

PS sorry for being juvenile, there you are talking down to people who dont share your views...how grown up of you!

Edited by the silurian (22 Feb 2020 8.13am)

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 22 Feb 20 9.41am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anybody who describes themselves, or anyone else, by their skin colour gets criticised by me. That includes the media who do it all the time.

I think it just perpetuates the problem. It is unnecessary unless someone is giving a description to the Police. What relevance is a person's skin colour to anything? There are other much more relevant descriptors available in every case.

This is total bs. I worked with a chap who was Ghanaian, a competitive body builder, so not to be argued with. I was mentoring him when someone called him "that coloured man". He got angry, not because of the comment but because he classed himself as black not coloured. His actual words were "I am a black man".
Would you criticise him? You really do talk b****cks at times

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 22 Feb 20 9.52am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am sorry if I come over that way. As I am often fighting on my own against a tide of contrary opinion I find I need to express myself forcefully to avoid being drowned.

[b]No. The Euro was a big step too far which we were wise to avoid.

But your buddies in the EU think it is marvellous as did many MPs here including arch remainer Ken Clarke

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Feb 20 10.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

So what is a referendum then? Why have one if the result means nothing?? Brexit is happening whether you like it or not...I said loser because that is what you are....remain 48% Leave 52% so remain LOST!! Maths not your strong point is it?? 48 is smaller than 52 in most peoples world, not in truro apparently....Think you should realise that a football forum isnt the place to spout your views on politics, there are more suitable places to do this....try your Labour websites, write to Jeremy, he may be interested,..Goodbye loser!

PS sorry for being juvenile, there you are talking down to people who dont share your views...how grown up of you!

Edited by the silurian (22 Feb 2020 8.13am)

He loves it, essentially it's why he's here.

There are plenty of forums where his views are supported but look where you find him.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 22 Feb 20 10.55am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

The facts: an all-powerful president, responsible for initiating legislation to push a core agenda of "ever closer union" will use the EU "Treaties" (the constitution renamed) to strip veto powers of nation states, as indicated here for taxation:

Don't forget - taxation is meant to be a national competence: one that individual "member states" decide on themselves. You see above her CLEAR intent to take that power

So - an EU president, voted through (barely) on a ballot paper of ONE candidate, is using her powers to:

1. Ratchet away powers that should be decided by national parliaments, into the juris of the EU
2. Remove any right of veto on those powers, so national governments are forced to OBEY whatever legislation she dreams up.

But don't worry! Defense is a national competence. No way they'll come for that! The EU wouldn't dream of pushing for powers over defense and military, would they? It's not like they've already started, right?

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If you EU-acolytes can't see the writing on the wall by now, there is no chance for you. Just remember the previous president's mantra:

"There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties"

Tick-tock. 35 hours until we leave the EU. Thank God.


LOL. The slippery slope to superstate just got a little steeper.

I wonder when they'll just level with the populace and ask them if they want to be subsumed under the next European empire?

Thank f**k we're out.



 

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cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 22 Feb 20 11.04am Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

This is total bs. I worked with a chap who was Ghanaian, a competitive body builder, so not to be argued with. I was mentoring him when someone called him "that coloured man". He got angry, not because of the comment but because he classed himself as black not coloured. His actual words were "I am a black man".
Would you criticise him? You really do talk b****cks at times

I was always told calling a black person coloured was racist and spending a lot of my early life growing up in Brixton black people did take offence being called coloured. WB probably never lived in a predominantly ethnic area so maybe a bit naive.

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 22 Feb 20 11.07am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

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We have, for too long, acted as a brake on the EU's aspiration for all-Europe domination over every single aspect of life.

Consequently, we were viewed as the "awkward troublesome member", whilst other countries (the Netherlands, for example) happily hid behind us knowing we'd voice our objections on their behalf. Why spend political capital vetoing something you hate when the UK will do it anyway?

This was especially true in EU budget "negotiations", and we're now seeing the new dynamic of some countries resisting spiraling contributions and being labelled "Un-European" just as we were.

Look at the reaction to the Swedish PM saying the "EU wasn't his priority", as he'd rather spend the additional money they are asking from him on (shock!) his own country. Bless little Leo wailing about how Irish contributions are going up, and he gets less out of them.

Yes, there's always been a fight for the EU trough, but now it's much more open, as there is no longer the UK pariah state to huddle behind.

Now it's tome for them to either put up or shut up. Meekly accept ratcheting away of national powers, previously reserved areas, veto rights, money, legal jurisdiction.... or actually start playing tough with the Brussels mafia.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Feb 20 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

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We have, for too long, acted as a brake on the EU's aspiration for all-Europe domination over every single aspect of life.

Consequently, we were viewed as the "awkward troublesome member", whilst other countries (the Netherlands, for example) happily hid behind us knowing we'd voice our objections on their behalf. Why spend political capital vetoing something you hate when the UK will do it anyway?

This was especially true in EU budget "negotiations", and we're now seeing the new dynamic of some countries resisting spiraling contributions and being labelled "Un-European" just as we were.

Look at the reaction to the Swedish PM saying the "EU wasn't his priority", as he'd rather spend the additional money they are asking from him on (shock!) his own country. Bless little Leo wailing about how Irish contributions are going up, and he gets less out of them.

Yes, there's always been a fight for the EU trough, but now it's much more open, as there is no longer the UK pariah state to huddle behind.

Now it's tome for them to either put up or shut up. Meekly accept ratcheting away of national powers, previously reserved areas, veto rights, money, legal jurisdiction.... or actually start playing tough with the Brussels mafia.

Good post I suggested this might happen a while back. As you state we were the whipping boys of Europe and whilst other countries agreed with us on some things they were content to hide behind Britannia's skirts and let us take the flack.

Now that we are gone they have either to put up or shut up. I suspect that in years to come we will not be the only bad boys of the EU.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Feb 20 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

More of the same: EU meeting fails to agree budget

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What a surprise France gets more money for its farmers!

 


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mr. apollo Flag Somewhere in Switzerland 22 Feb 20 5.03pm Send a Private Message to mr. apollo Add mr. apollo as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle

It's done .. get on with it. I just hope I don't have long queues trying to get through passport control coming home to Switzerland.

 



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