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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Top-notch !
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 1.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
out of interest why not? His job is to manage and get the best out of his players. The Liverpool and England job proved he couldn't do it with quality players. So why should we expect that if we invested more in the first team he would do any better with them? My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true. Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club. As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club. Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 12 Feb 21 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true. Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club. As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club. Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got. I concur with these sentiments.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 1.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change. I totally agree. I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be. I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things. But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.49pm | |
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Burnley hardly play attractive football and in recent seasons we have scored more goals than them.
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PatrickA London 12 Feb 21 1.52pm | |
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As somebody who used to work in the law, Willo, I can confirm that you are doing a reasonable job as Hodgson’s defence lawyer.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
As somebody who used to work in the law, Willo, I can confirm that you are doing a reasonable job as Hodgson’s defence lawyer. My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm)
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 12 Feb 21 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I totally agree. I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be. I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things. But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ? completely valid point, but Hodgson and the owners can't be oblivious to stakeholder unrest and that our current 'way' is becoming obviously out of date. Good leadership anticipates disaster and course corrects. We're at that stage now.
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taylors lovechild 12 Feb 21 2.34pm | |
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On paper it is true Roy has at least achieved if not exceeded expectations, but it is also true that we are becoming an increasingly dour spectacle with performances seemingly getting worse season on season, even though results have remained largely similar. It could be down to personnel and our long injury list, but I'm not overly convinced it is just that. Of course it is a risk to make a change, but is anyone really convinced that the football is going to get any better with Roy at the helm? It would be nice for the club to make a managerial transition during a period of stability, rather than a fire-fighting one. After performances like Leeds I tend to come off the ropes wanting to push him out the door now, but I do recognise what he has given to the club so I think probably a summer departure would be the best way to say goodbye.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Feb 21 3.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm) Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo?
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 3.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Was that at the same time you were Jimmy Carr's tax accountant Willo? Good heavens, NO ! Never acted as his 'Defence barrister' either !!!!
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