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cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 5.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Funding is only one method. Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now. I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm) Brown envelopes Stirling?
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The garden of England 15 Apr 20 5.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Funding is only one method.
Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now.

I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm)

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samprior Hamburg 15 Apr 20 5.44pm
A long but what I thought was an interesting read - and as it's long there's plenty to agree and disagree with [Link] A critical response: [Link] The author's reply: [Link]
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Hamburg 15 Apr 20 5.44pm

A long but what I thought was an interesting read - and as it's long there's plenty to agree and disagree with

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A critical response:
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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 5.44pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It's a fair point. My point would be more along the lines of why fund them at all anymore? There are loads of countries criticising Trump right now - probably because that stance does well on social media. Once this has blown over, every country will be questioning funding the WHO. It's: what has the WHO done for us? They had no centralised store of PPE ready to ship out if their original containment failed. In fact, they had no original containment or even strategy. Despite receiving billions of funding annually. I'm pretty sure that responses have been national and no-one has given two sh1ts what the WHO have said. Talking shop, probably sums them up. Waste of money is an understatement. They have something like 150 offices worldwide. Heavily branded and nicely furnished, no doubt. I agree. It's the same elitist job creation scheme that often operates at the top. They all do it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 5.44pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's a fair point. My point would be more along the lines of why fund them at all anymore? There are loads of countries criticising Trump right now - probably because that stance does well on social media.
Once this has blown over, every country will be questioning funding the WHO. It's: what has the WHO done for us? They had no centralised store of PPE ready to ship out if their original containment failed. In fact, they had no original containment or even strategy. Despite receiving billions of funding annually.
I'm pretty sure that responses have been national and no-one has given two sh1ts what the WHO have said. Talking shop, probably sums them up. Waste of money is an understatement. They have something like 150 offices worldwide. Heavily branded and nicely furnished, no doubt.

I agree.

It's the same elitist job creation scheme that often operates at the top. They all do it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 5.47pm
Originally posted by cryrst Brown envelopes Stirling? Metaphorically....though perhaps in this case they are yellow. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 5.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Brown envelopes Stirling?

Metaphorically....though perhaps in this case they are yellow.

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 5.53pm
Originally posted by samprior A long but what I thought was an interesting read - and as it's long there's plenty to agree and disagree with [Link] A critical response: [Link] The author's reply: [Link] Cheers. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 5.53pm

Originally posted by samprior

A long but what I thought was an interesting read - and as it's long there's plenty to agree and disagree with

[Link]

A critical response:
[Link]

The author's reply:
[Link]

Cheers.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 8.24pm
Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead. That's with smaller communities. Hope this isnt going south for their people.
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Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead.
That's with smaller communities. Hope this isnt going south for their people.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 8.28pm
Originally posted by cryrst You are hoping for a challenge. It wont happen. Also there is a fine line between a genius and a madman as famously quoted. He knows exactly what hes doing as he has in all he does. You dont become a billionaire and the president of the USA without having firstly some balls and secondly some nouse. Trump wouldn't be the first con man to have become very wealthy but there is some serious doubt that he really is that wealthy. He is highly leveraged and with so much of his "empire" in hotels and golf courses, neither of which are going to generate much income for a while, things could easily get very sticky. Whilst I can agree that the line between madness and genius can be thin, Trump is no genius. You really don't have to be very clever to work out what he is all about. He makes very little effort to hide it. That humorous summary a few posts ago was spot on and summed him up beautifully. I am no more qualified to offer a professional opinion on Trump's mental state than anyone else is here. It ought not be done without an examination anyway. However, more than almost anyone else he offers himself up to observation by way of his public persona. My granddaughter is a mental health professional and her opinion is the same as mine. It isn't just me that questions his mental health. There are many in the USA who do too. The American Psychiatric Association, going against their ethical guidelines, felt compelled to openly question it. Him behaving as he is now is a very real concern and an additional and unnecessary problem for other world leaders to have to deal with. Those who defend him really do need to stop and think a little bit harder. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 8.28pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You are hoping for a challenge. It wont happen.
Also there is a fine line between a genius and a madman as famously quoted. He knows exactly what hes doing as he has in all he does. You dont become a billionaire and the president of the USA without having firstly some balls and secondly some nouse.

Trump wouldn't be the first con man to have become very wealthy but there is some serious doubt that he really is that wealthy. He is highly leveraged and with so much of his "empire" in hotels and golf courses, neither of which are going to generate much income for a while, things could easily get very sticky. Whilst I can agree that the line between madness and genius can be thin, Trump is no genius. You really don't have to be very clever to work out what he is all about. He makes very little effort to hide it. That humorous summary a few posts ago was spot on and summed him up beautifully.

I am no more qualified to offer a professional opinion on Trump's mental state than anyone else is here. It ought not be done without an examination anyway. However, more than almost anyone else he offers himself up to observation by way of his public persona. My granddaughter is a mental health professional and her opinion is the same as mine.

It isn't just me that questions his mental health. There are many in the USA who do too. The American Psychiatric Association, going against their ethical guidelines, felt compelled to openly question it.

Him behaving as he is now is a very real concern and an additional and unnecessary problem for other world leaders to have to deal with.

Those who defend him really do need to stop and think a little bit harder.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 9.26pm
Originally posted by cryrst Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead. That's with smaller communities. Hope this isnt going south for their people. Well, it was 19 dead and 13 dead on different days.....These daily totals aren't that reliable as a measure outside of an average over a time span. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 9.26pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead.
That's with smaller communities. Hope this isnt going south for their people.

Well, it was 19 dead and 13 dead on different days.....These daily totals aren't that reliable as a measure outside of an average over a time span.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Apr 20 9.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Trump wouldn't be the first con man to have become very wealthy but there is some serious doubt that he really is that wealthy. He is highly leveraged and with so much of his "empire" in hotels and golf courses, neither of which are going to generate much income for a while, things could easily get very sticky. Whilst I can agree that the line between madness and genius can be thin, Trump is no genius. You really don't have to be very clever to work out what he is all about. He makes very little effort to hide it. That humorous summary a few posts ago was spot on and summed him up beautifully. I am no more qualified to offer a professional opinion on Trump's mental state than anyone else is here. It ought not be done without an examination anyway. However, more than almost anyone else he offers himself up to observation by way of his public persona. My granddaughter is a mental health professional and her opinion is the same as mine. It isn't just me that questions his mental health. There are many in the USA who do too. The American Psychiatric Association, going against their ethical guidelines, felt compelled to openly question it. Him behaving as he is now is a very real concern and an additional and unnecessary problem for other world leaders to have to deal with. Those who defend him really do need to stop and think a little bit harder. Oh Dear. TDS at It's finest. When 42nd St was a rat infested drug den Trump had the audacity to transform that neighbourhood from what it was to what it is now. He really should be cleaning up that drunk Nancy Pelosi's district where people openly crap on the street & when you aren't dodging the s*** you are trying to dodge the homeless & the spent syringe's. Trump was right about term limits especially with this Hag.. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Apr 20 9.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Him behaving as he is now is a very real concern and an additional and unnecessary problem for other world leaders to have to deal with.

Those who defend him really do need to stop and think a little bit harder.

Oh Dear. TDS at It's finest. When 42nd St was a rat infested drug den Trump had the audacity to transform that neighbourhood from what it was to what it is now.
He really should be cleaning up that drunk Nancy Pelosi's district where people openly crap on the street & when you aren't dodging the s*** you are trying to dodge the homeless & the spent syringe's.
Trump was right about term limits especially with this Hag..

Pro USA & Israel

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 10.20pm
A podcast for those 'lockdown skeptics' among us. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 10.20pm

A podcast for those 'lockdown skeptics' among us.

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samprior Hamburg 15 Apr 20 10.30pm
Perhaps to provide a comparison or prediction of what's to come for the UK these were the measures announced this evening in Germany: • It is strongly recommended to wear masks in public transporation and supermarkets • School will be gradually open from May 4th. Students going to high school (level a) next year will be the first ones coming to school. • The hair salon can be opened from May 4th when the disinfection/preventive measures are completed. • Religious meetings are still not allowed. Discussing how to resume. • Starting next week, shops (800m2 or smaller) can open when the disinfection/preventive measures are completed. • Cafe restaurant hotel shopping mall club remain closed • All public events, such as large-scale meetings and concerts are canceled by the end of August. • Abitur and mittlere reife tests will be held. Elementary school kindergarten remain closed. • new job offers in healthcare sector. More than 4,000 new employees • currently no solution for gastronomy industry / hotel industry except for shutdown • The kontaktsperre (you can meet up with only one person outside) will also stay like this. • Now,the next goal for the government is to keep the infection curve low and to keep track of all interpersonal infections in the community, and it is possible with Germany's current capabilities. Currently, one confirmed person makes an average of one new case. (Previously, one confirmed patient infected 3-4 on average.) If this number is maintained at 1.1, the German medical care system will reach its limit in September. when 1.2 in august. when 1.3 in june. So keeping this number at one or less is a very important goal. • Masks used in the community (masks made by individuals) have a negative effect if they are not cleaned every day. • The legal enforcement of the use of masks (such as punishment when not wearing) is out of discussion because there is not enough masks in the country • why the corona tracking app takes so long: It takes a long time, because Robert Koch institut must prove the effectiveness of this app and should be approved by the head of a institution where they take care of the personal information. but we are currently working on it*
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Hamburg 15 Apr 20 10.30pm

Perhaps to provide a comparison or prediction of what's to come for the UK these were the measures announced this evening in Germany:

• It is strongly recommended to wear masks in public transporation and supermarkets

• School will be gradually open from May 4th. Students going to high school (level a) next year will be the first ones coming to school.

• The hair salon can be opened from May 4th when the disinfection/preventive measures are completed.

• Religious meetings are still not allowed. Discussing how to resume.

• Starting next week, shops (800m2 or smaller) can open when the disinfection/preventive measures are completed.

• Cafe restaurant hotel shopping mall club remain closed

• All public events, such as large-scale meetings and concerts are canceled by the end of August.

• Abitur and mittlere reife tests will be held. Elementary school kindergarten remain closed.

• new job offers in healthcare sector. More than 4,000 new employees

• currently no solution for gastronomy industry / hotel industry except for shutdown

• The kontaktsperre (you can meet up with only one person outside) will also stay like this.

• Now,the next goal for the government is to keep the infection curve low and to keep track of all interpersonal infections in the community, and it is possible with Germany's current capabilities. Currently, one confirmed person makes an average of one new case. (Previously, one confirmed patient infected 3-4 on average.) If this number is maintained at 1.1, the German medical care system will reach its limit in September. when 1.2 in august. when 1.3 in june. So keeping this number at one or less is a very important goal.

• Masks used in the community (masks made by individuals) have a negative effect if they are not cleaned every day.

• The legal enforcement of the use of masks (such as punishment when not wearing) is out of discussion because there is not enough masks in the country

• why the corona tracking app takes so long:

It takes a long time, because Robert Koch institut must prove the effectiveness of this app and should be approved by the head of a institution where they take care of the personal information. but we are currently working on it*

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 10.38pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Oh Dear. TDS at It's finest. When 42nd St was a rat infested drug den Trump had the audacity to transform that neighbourhood from what it was to what it is now. He really should be cleaning up that drunk Nancy Pelosi's district where people openly crap on the street & when you aren't dodging the s*** you are trying to dodge the homeless & the spent syringe's. Trump was right about term limits especially with this Hag.. As I follow a number of Trump supporting groups and have several Trump supporting US friends I am very familiar with this attitude. I am only too aware of the divisions that exist in the USA and some of the reasons why they do. What disappoints me is to find them in the UK too. That you even mention "TDS" as if it's real only goes to prove to me just how vulnerable the Trump supporter is to his bs. I get that some people don't like globalism, international organisations and especially the UN, so want the WHO abandoned. I totally disagree but respect that other views exist. What I take issue with is Trump doing what Trump is now. It's such blatant politicing. When you are in a boat that's full of holes you want everyone baling, even those you dislike. You don't start making waves. This just isn't the time for divisive politics. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 10.38pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

As I follow a number of Trump supporting groups and have several Trump supporting US friends I am very familiar with this attitude. I am only too aware of the divisions that exist in the USA and some of the reasons why they do. What disappoints me is to find them in the UK too.

That you even mention "TDS" as if it's real only goes to prove to me just how vulnerable the Trump supporter is to his bs.

I get that some people don't like globalism, international organisations and especially the UN, so want the WHO abandoned. I totally disagree but respect that other views exist.

What I take issue with is Trump doing what Trump is now. It's such blatant politicing.

When you are in a boat that's full of holes you want everyone baling, even those you dislike. You don't start making waves.

This just isn't the time for divisive politics.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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