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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you cling to technicalities when it suits you but not when it doesn't. No one gives a toss about 'legality', they care about what they were promised by the government prior to the vote. The law is not "technicalities" despite some who wish it was. You sound like Trump! You might not "give a toss" about many things but if they are unlawful then the law won't "give a toss" about your opinion. And the law will win. You are right to care about what the government promised but you also have to care that it's their right to determine how to deliver that promise for that is their duty. That you disagree with their approach is your prerogative but your only recourse is to try to change the government at the next GE. That is YOUR right. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you cling to technicalities when it suits you but not when it doesn't.

No one gives a toss about 'legality', they care about what they were promised by the government prior to the vote.

The law is not "technicalities" despite some who wish it was. You sound like Trump!

You might not "give a toss" about many things but if they are unlawful then the law won't "give a toss" about your opinion. And the law will win.

You are right to care about what the government promised but you also have to care that it's their right to determine how to deliver that promise for that is their duty. That you disagree with their approach is your prerogative but your only recourse is to try to change the government at the next GE. That is YOUR right.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 May 19 10.41pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I will let those who know me much better than you advise me on that subject, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion. So we are all mixed race when it suits but not when it doesn't. I am happy to be 'mixed race'. I have genes from various places. None of that matters one bit to me. For some, however, skin colour seems to be a big deal. It is nevertheless, ridiculous pedantry to quibble about Europe being the home of the 'White race'. Irrespective of mixing or other incursions, White people evolved in Europe and it is their natural homeland by that measure.
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13 May 19 10.41pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I will let those who know me much better than you advise me on that subject, so forgive me if I ignore your opinion.

So we are all mixed race when it suits but not when it doesn't.

I am happy to be 'mixed race'. I have genes from various places. None of that matters one bit to me. For some, however, skin colour seems to be a big deal.

It is nevertheless, ridiculous pedantry to quibble about Europe being the home of the 'White race'. Irrespective of mixing or other incursions, White people evolved in Europe and it is their natural homeland by that measure.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You can repeat something as much as you like Maine, it doesn't make it true. While the use of words like 'white' and 'black' are just generalisms the idea that categories of race don't exist is simply choosing to ignore differences that evolution has enacted on geographical groups......seemingly for political or ideological purposes. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 May 2019 6.58pm) I am sure that was intended for me! Dismissing "white and black" as "generalisms" is a poor excuse and not a reason. Evolution has indeed been at work, and continues to do so. It has put together a complicated gene pool which means that everyone is a mixture, us both included. Many of us now able to delve deeper into our family histories than ever before and can find some quite surprising connections that were previously unknown. Discussing cultural, political and ideological issues that bind groups together is a perfectly valid approach. To bring in the concept of a "white race" is not. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can repeat something as much as you like Maine, it doesn't make it true.

While the use of words like 'white' and 'black' are just generalisms the idea that categories of race don't exist is simply choosing to ignore differences that evolution has enacted on geographical groups......seemingly for political or ideological purposes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 May 2019 6.58pm)

I am sure that was intended for me!

Dismissing "white and black" as "generalisms" is a poor excuse and not a reason.

Evolution has indeed been at work, and continues to do so. It has put together a complicated gene pool which means that everyone is a mixture, us both included. Many of us now able to delve deeper into our family histories than ever before and can find some quite surprising connections that were previously unknown.

Discussing cultural, political and ideological issues that bind groups together is a perfectly valid approach. To bring in the concept of a "white race" is not.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 May 19 10.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The law is not "technicalities" despite some who wish it was. You sound like Trump! You might not "give a toss" about many things but if they are unlawful then the law won't "give a toss" about your opinion. And the law will win. You are right to care about what the government promised but you also have to care that it's their right to determine how to deliver that promise for that is their duty. That you disagree with their approach is your prerogative but your only recourse is to try to change the government at the next GE. That is YOUR right. This is a loser's argument. The decision to leave Europe is now legally binding under article 50 of the treaty. That would have to be revoked in order to change that.
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Hrolf The Ganger

13 May 19 10.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The law is not "technicalities" despite some who wish it was. You sound like Trump!

You might not "give a toss" about many things but if they are unlawful then the law won't "give a toss" about your opinion. And the law will win.

This is a loser's argument.

The decision to leave Europe is now legally binding under article 50 of the treaty. That would have to be revoked in order to change that.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So we are all mixed race when it suits but not when it doesn't. I am happy to be 'mixed race'. I have genes from various places. None of that matters one bit to me. That's good. I feel exactly the same. For some, however, skin colour seems to be a big deal. They do and their views need to be countered with reasoned argument as to why they are counter productive. It is nevertheless, ridiculous pedantry to quibble about Europe being the home of the 'White race'. Irrespective of mixing or other incursions, White people evolved in Europe and it is their natural homeland by that measure. It isn't pedantry because it just isn't true. White skins might have become more usual in Europe but that doesn't turn them into a race. It doesn't change the genetic make up, anymore than baldness, tallness or any other kind of trait. Perhaps you might read this:-https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/theres-no-such-thing-pure-european-or-anyone-else For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 May 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So we are all mixed race when it suits but not when it doesn't.

I am happy to be 'mixed race'. I have genes from various places. None of that matters one bit to me.

That's good. I feel exactly the same.

For some, however, skin colour seems to be a big deal.

They do and their views need to be countered with reasoned argument as to why they are counter productive.

It isn't pedantry because it just isn't true. White skins might have become more usual in Europe but that doesn't turn them into a race. It doesn't change the genetic make up, anymore than baldness, tallness or any other kind of trait. Perhaps you might read this:-https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/theres-no-such-thing-pure-european-or-anyone-else

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 May 19 11.20pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My god man. We know there is no race according to science. It is an expression. It relates to one recognisable group. You just argued the very same thing when talking about the 'Human race'.
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Hrolf The Ganger

13 May 19 11.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My god man. We know there is no race according to science. It is an expression. It relates to one recognisable group.
You just argued the very same thing when talking about the 'Human race'.

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Stirlingsays 13 May 19 11.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am sure that was intended for me! No it wasn't intended for you. Listen Wisbech, our worldviews are so polar opposite that I kind of don't see the point. Also, you don't debate ideas you just stonewall in very long posts and dance around pins and then don't bother reading replies....it's bad for my blood pressure. I'd rather argue with posters with whom I find to be serious actors or at least entertaining ones. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 May 2019 11.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 May 19 11.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am sure that was intended for me!

No it wasn't intended for you.

Listen Wisbech, our worldviews are so polar opposite that I kind of don't see the point. Also, you don't debate ideas you just stonewall in very long posts and dance around pins and then don't bother reading replies....it's bad for my blood pressure.

I'd rather argue with posters with whom I find to be serious actors or at least entertaining ones.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 May 2019 11.23pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Park Road 14 May 19 5.54am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not good enough. Which dictionary or encyclopedia? The definitions you give are not all familiar to me and I want to know exactly where they come from as they are not all reliable. This is especially true if the source is in the USA. This is an extract from Wikipedia:- "In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different, societal context as a synonym for white or of European, Middle Eastern, or North African ancestry.[10][11] Its usage in American English has been criticized" I criticise it. It isn't accurate at all. It is a lazy misuse of a word designed to make racism seem acceptable. I repeat. There is no white race, just as there is no black race. Yes, it is good enough I repeat...Head stuck up your arse" it means that you have to start paying more attention to what's going on around you. It could also mean that you have to stop being so consumed with yourself, and your own well being, and stop being so conceited
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Park Road

14 May 19 5.54am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not good enough.

Which dictionary or encyclopedia?

The definitions you give are not all familiar to me and I want to know exactly where they come from as they are not all reliable.

This is especially true if the source is in the USA. This is an extract from Wikipedia:-

"In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different, societal context as a synonym for white or of European, Middle Eastern, or North African ancestry.[10][11] Its usage in American English has been criticized"

I criticise it. It isn't accurate at all. It is a lazy misuse of a word designed to make racism seem acceptable. I repeat. There is no white race, just as there is no black race.

Yes, it is good enough

I repeat...Head stuck up your arse" it means that you have to start paying more attention to what's going on around you. It could also mean that you have to stop being so consumed with yourself, and your own well being, and stop being so conceited

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Stirlingsays 14 May 19 7.54am
Trump and Orban just met at the White House. The god emperor and prodigy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 May 19 7.54am

Trump and Orban just met at the White House.

The god emperor and prodigy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 14 May 19 9.24am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Trump and Orban just met at the White House. The god emperor and prodigy. Latest in the Dune saga?
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Teddy Eagle

14 May 19 9.24am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump and Orban just met at the White House.

The god emperor and prodigy.

Latest in the Dune saga?

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Stirlingsays 14 May 19 9.29am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Latest in the Dune saga? Spicey. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 May 19 9.29am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Latest in the Dune saga?

Spicey.