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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Well it was Eltham! What was the opinion about Corbyn? What about the have nots who don't work? I think that this is where the left / centre / right probably disagree most. What is your take on it? It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas. I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked. What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years? In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.39pm | |
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Originally posted by OldFella
The chap who invented predictive text died last week - his funfair is next monkey I'll get my coat... Hehe
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 2.43pm | |
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Originally posted by OldFella
No full stop!
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Oct 16 4.57pm | |
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Labour came round mine today. I told them theT they were doing a great job and should be 'more left wing'. The two canvassers lapped up my answers and went off giddy with glee that they thought they had a new voter. The fools.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Oct 16 5.58pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Labour came round mine today. I told them theT they were doing a great job and should be 'more left wing'. The two canvassers lapped up my answers and went off giddy with glee that they thought they had a new voter. The fools. Of course you did. Fantasist and a liar.
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Oct 16 6.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Of course you did. Fantasist and a liar. ...and I am the troll....
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Oct 16 6.06pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
...and I am the troll.... At last. An admission. Well done you.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 6.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
At last. An admission. Well done you. But does he still love me?
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 01 Oct 16 6.58pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas. I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked. What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years? In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers. There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians Corbyn was attending the education rally in Newcastle I believe.
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leifandersonshair Newport 01 Oct 16 7.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians Sadly all too true. While I think the welfare state (and the NHS) are probably amongst the greatest things in Britain today, there are always those who will abuse the system. Perhaps some sort of Chinese style 3 child cap (in terms of support, that is) is required- i.e. you get child benefits etc for the first 3, but after that you pay for them yourselves. There is a strong argument for the welfare state being 'tightened up' around the edges- unfortunately, Labour are never interested, and the Tories just want to cut the whole thing. And no government is strong enough to really look at and reform the biggest welfare drain- state pensions. I get the argument that 'people have paid in for 40 years and should get the benefits'- but I'm currently 30+ years away from state pension age and will probably end up paying in for 45-50 years thanks to later pension ages. Shouldn't I get the benefit too? Whereas probable situation is, I won't be able to claim state pension until I'm 70 (or even later) and will probably end up with less in real terms than todays pensioners.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.20pm | |
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A fallacy I'm afraid Leifandersonshair and Y Ddraig Goch perpetuated by the mail et al.
'There are generations of workless, work-shy families' Source: Exposing the Myths of Welfare, Centre for Labour and Social Studies/Red Pepper Magazine
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