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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Feb 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

She was but in someways, at least at the time, she seemed the right choice. A compromise meant to allay the fears of the Remainers.

At the time, there was zero talk about a second referendum and the assumption was that Parliament would do what it had just been told to do. Even calling the 2017 election made sense given the polling. Plenty of 9pm Analysts out there to decry that now but the data available spoke of her winning a bigger majority. I get why her team pushed her to take the plunge.

Plenty to criticize in how the campaign was subsequently handled along with a warning for the Tories today because Labour did propose a substantially 'socialist' manifesto and did bloody well on the back of a pledge to honour the Brexit vote. That is what I fail to grasp about the people who pushed for their second referendum stance in 2019. That was suicidal for them.

May simply was not the right person for the job. Probably never was but that does come with a huge dollop of hindsight.

And gets us where we are now with perhaps the combination of her unsuitability allied with Ms Gina Millers interference meaning we are more likely to get the Brexit people like me wanted.

Strange how life works out.

May got the job because the other candidates imploded leaving her as the only viable one. Whilst I think she was a poor leader I do sympathise with her she tried the impossible which was to create a compromise solution to Brexit and normally I am in favour of consensus. However in regard to Brexit you can't be a little bit pregnant so her solution upset everyone.

Boris took the right tone, I hate to say it because it does sound triumphalist but Brexit referendum was about winning or losing.

Still if Boris does get it wrong he will be out on his ear at the next election.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 04 Feb 20 2.14pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Edward Dutton (those who know know) made an interesting point online when he said that the Brexit victory has been the first win for the genuine right in this country since the eighties.

That being how long it's been since the Conservatives were actually looking to conserve anything other than their house prices.

Though I add, that leaving the EU isn't purely a 'right wing' victory as many Labour voters wanted it too.....It was in many senses a coalition against an undemocratic internationalist agenda.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Feb 2020 8.08am)

Your heroes really do speak volumes.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Feb 20 2.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Your heroes really do speak volumes.

What's it with you and thinking that if someone is referred that they are a hero. Is that you projecting?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Feb 20 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Your heroes really do speak volumes.

Do you Left wing dullards all use the same book for your one liners?

You could be slightly imaginative on occasionally just for a change.

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 04 Feb 20 10.24pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you Left wing dullards all use the same book for your one liners?

You could be slightly imaginative on occasionally just for a change.

left wing dullards: Mark Carney, Dominic Grieve, Michael Heseltine, Kenneth Clark, IMF, WTO, Tony Blair, John Major, Teresa May, Rory Stewart, and which left wing dullard was a prime mover in the establishment of the single market? Margaret Thatcher. Snow flake woke up arse liberals the lot of them

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 20 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

The only corroboration you have provided is your statement, so we must take your word for it.... fine but how many times have yyrefused to take the word of other posters on here when it doesn’t suit your agenda?

There is a big difference between someone's personal opinion being presented as fact and a reported conversation. Especially when it was with a senior serving military officer.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Feb 20 12.12am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is a big difference between someone's personal opinion being presented as fact and a reported conversation. Especially when it was with a senior serving military officer.

But we only have your word for that, are deliberately trying to misunderstand my point. Others have reported facts but you choose to request proof of their statements, so I now ask you for proof to collaborate your statement. What’s good for the goose and all that

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Feb 20 5.38am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

left wing dullards: Mark Carney, Dominic Grieve, Michael Heseltine, Kenneth Clark, IMF, WTO, Tony Blair, John Major, Teresa May, Rory Stewart, and which left wing dullard was a prime mover in the establishment of the single market? Margaret Thatcher. Snow flake woke up arse liberals the lot of them

If you had been bothered to look at the thread of comments he replied to you'd find that it wasn't about the single market....but in reference to 'Two Cars Castro' DanH's comment to me on Dutton.

Also, there aren't many Brexiteers who are against the idea of the 'single market' anyway. It's about the political rules that come with it.

Those didn't exist when the single market was first established.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2020 5.39am)

 


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W12 05 Feb 20 8.06am

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

left wing dullards: Mark Carney, Dominic Grieve, Michael Heseltine, Kenneth Clark, IMF, WTO, Tony Blair, John Major, Teresa May, Rory Stewart, and which left wing dullard was a prime mover in the establishment of the single market? Margaret Thatcher. Snow flake woke up arse liberals the lot of them

None of those individuals are Conservatives other than Thatcher who was a neo-con. I'd argue they do generally qualify for the description "Snow flake woke up arse liberals".

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 10.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

But we only have your word for that, are deliberately trying to misunderstand my point. Others have reported facts but you choose to request proof of their statements, so I now ask you for proof to collaborate your statement. What’s good for the goose and all that

And as I have already stated unless you were also there that's impossible. If anyone else "reported facts" and gave where and from whom they heard them then I would never challenge them because to do so would insult their integrity, as you appear to be doing to mine.

All I have ever done is challenge unsupported assertions that appear to have come out of thin air and be simply opinion. Provide some evidence in support and I would be satisfied. I might disagree with the conclusion, but that's different.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Feb 20 11.32am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

And as I have already stated unless you were also there that's impossible. If anyone else "reported facts" and gave where and from whom they heard them then I would never challenge them because to do so would insult their integrity, as you appear to be doing to mine.

All I have ever done is challenge unsupported assertions that appear to have come out of thin air and be simply opinion. Provide some evidence in support and I would be satisfied. I might disagree with the conclusion, but that's different.

Oh the irony of your reply. So we cannot challenge your integrity but you have done nothing but challenge the integrity of those that have a different view, unless they can substantiate their statements

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 20 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Oh the irony of your reply. So we cannot challenge your integrity but you have done nothing but challenge the integrity of those that have a different view, unless they can substantiate their statements

That's just wrong. I rarely challenge anyone's integrity. I often profoundly disagree with their reasoning whilst accepting their absolute right to hold their views. So long as people behave lawfully they are entitled to believe whatever they want.

 


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