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cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 4.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Everyone deserves tolerance in this situation. Trump included. I can forgive him getting some decisions wrong. What cannot be forgiven is the politicising. The missing point is that it is simply too early to reach any conclusions. When the WHO offered advice I have little doubt that they did so based on the consensus of their expert's conclusions and not with any political motivations at all. Now I might be wrong but this is not the time to try to find out. That comes later. That Trump is encouraging it to be done now is the point. It achieves nothing positive at all. Other than to encourage his "base" and keep them onside in an election year. It has zilch to do with solving the crisis. Trump has changed his stance. He said this on Twitter on Jan 24th:- " China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" I think you are mixing two things here. Your hatred of trump is clouding your judgment of the WHO and how it has handled the situation.
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The garden of England 15 Apr 20 4.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Everyone deserves tolerance in this situation. Trump included. I can forgive him getting some decisions wrong. What cannot be forgiven is the politicising.

The missing point is that it is simply too early to reach any conclusions. When the WHO offered advice I have little doubt that they did so based on the consensus of their expert's conclusions and not with any political motivations at all. Now I might be wrong but this is not the time to try to find out. That comes later.

That Trump is encouraging it to be done now is the point. It achieves nothing positive at all. Other than to encourage his "base" and keep them onside in an election year. It has zilch to do with solving the crisis.

Trump has changed his stance. He said this on Twitter on Jan 24th:-

" China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

I think you are mixing two things here.
Your hatred of trump is clouding your judgment of the WHO and how it has handled the situation.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 4.38pm
Originally posted by cryrst I think you are mixing two things here. Your hatred of trump is clouding your judgment of the WHO and how it has handled the situation. I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does. What I hate is the way some people respond to him. My argument is simply that how the WHO has handled this situation is not an issue for now and it most certainly ought not be used as a political football to try to boost anyone's personal objectives. To do so is beyond irresponsible at this time and someone needs to get a handle on the guy that they have allowed to inhabit the most powerful position in the world. I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 4.38pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I think you are mixing two things here.
Your hatred of trump is clouding your judgment of the WHO and how it has handled the situation.

I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does.

What I hate is the way some people respond to him.

My argument is simply that how the WHO has handled this situation is not an issue for now and it most certainly ought not be used as a political football to try to boost anyone's personal objectives. To do so is beyond irresponsible at this time and someone needs to get a handle on the guy that they have allowed to inhabit the most powerful position in the world.

I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 4.44pm
If anyone wants the actual truth about what posters have written about Trump over time, their claims and how that panned out. How balanced or fair they have been on events....it can all be found on the 'bias over Trump' thread. It's far better evidence than any self analysis. However, there is so much mental illness on display there that anyone outside of a mental medical health professional probably is advised not to bother. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 4.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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If anyone wants the actual truth about what posters have written about Trump over time, their claims and how that panned out. How balanced or fair they have been on events....it can all be found on the 'bias over Trump' thread.

It's far better evidence than any self analysis.

However, there is so much mental illness on display there that anyone outside of a mental medical health professional probably is advised not to bother.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 4.53pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If anyone wants the actual truth about what posters have written about Trump over time, their claims and how that panned out. How balanced or fair they have been on events....it can all be found on the 'bias over Trump' thread. It's far better evidence than any self analysis. However, there is so much mental illness on display there that anyone outside of a mental medical health professional probably is advised not to bother. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 4.53pm) Historically, the UK was the second highest contributor after the USA. More recently The Bill Gates foundation became second. China's historical funding of the WHO was minimal. Up to 2010 Britain was funding around 40 times more than China to the WHO. More recently China massively upped it's funding but still lags behind even the Scandinavian countries in individual state contributions. That may have changed but summarises all that I could find out about it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's far better evidence than any self analysis.

However, there is so much mental illness on display there that anyone outside of a mental medical health professional probably is advised not to bother.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 4.53pm)

Historically, the UK was the second highest contributor after the USA. More recently The Bill Gates foundation became second.
China's historical funding of the WHO was minimal. Up to 2010 Britain was funding around 40 times more than China to the WHO. More recently China massively upped it's funding but still lags behind even the Scandinavian countries in individual state contributions. That may have changed but summarises all that I could find out about it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 20 5.18pm
Wuhan has now reopened the dispicable food markets and the Australian PM having a go at WHO. I don’t agree with his timing but maybe Trump has a point. When is the rest of the World going to “dig” out China? I suspect never
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Horsham 15 Apr 20 5.18pm

Wuhan has now reopened the dispicable food markets and the Australian PM having a go at WHO. I don’t agree with his timing but maybe Trump has a point.
When is the rest of the World going to “dig” out China? I suspect never

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.23pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Wuhan has now reopened the dispicable food markets and the Australian PM having a go at WHO. I don’t agree with his timing but maybe Trump has a point. When is the rest of the World going to “dig” out China? I suspect never I did hear they were going to reclassify dogs as pets, rather than livestock. So now your Chinese kid can still get a puppy in a market, they just don't come with a side dish anymore. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.23pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I did hear they were going to reclassify dogs as pets, rather than livestock. So now your Chinese kid can still get a puppy in a market, they just don't come with a side dish anymore.

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 20 5.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does. What I hate is the way some people respond to him. My argument is simply that how the WHO has handled this situation is not an issue for now and it most certainly ought not be used as a political football to try to boost anyone's personal objectives. To do so is beyond irresponsible at this time and someone needs to get a handle on the guy that they have allowed to inhabit the most powerful position in the world. I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control. I wouldn’t mind the mental disorder he suffers from if it meant I made the money he has
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Horsham 15 Apr 20 5.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does.

What I hate is the way some people respond to him.

I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control.

I wouldn’t mind the mental disorder he suffers from if it meant I made the money he has

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 5.25pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does. What I hate is the way some people respond to him. My argument is simply that how the WHO has handled this situation is not an issue for now and it most certainly ought not be used as a political football to try to boost anyone's personal objectives. To do so is beyond irresponsible at this time and someone needs to get a handle on the guy that they have allowed to inhabit the most powerful position in the world. I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control. You are hoping for a challenge. It wont happen. Also there is a fine line between a genius and a madman as famously quoted. He knows exactly what hes doing as he has in all he does. You dont become a billionaire and the president of the USA without having firstly some balls and secondly some nouse.
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The garden of England 15 Apr 20 5.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't though hate Trump. If anything I feel sorry for him as he clearly is suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Normal people don't behave as he does.

What I hate is the way some people respond to him.

I would not be totally surprised to see a constitutional challenge mounted by those around him before too long. Trump is definitely out of control.

You are hoping for a challenge. It wont happen.
Also there is a fine line between a genius and a madman as famously quoted. He knows exactly what hes doing as he has in all he does. You dont become a billionaire and the president of the USA without having firstly some balls and secondly some nouse.

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W12 15 Apr 20 5.26pm
Organizations like the WHO, EU, UN, large NGO's, most Quangos, "societies" (e.g. Common Purpose, the Fabien's etc) , most political pressure groups, "hate watch" groups (Hope Not Hate, SPLC etc) all need to be outright destroyed. It's difficult to over estimate the deliberate damage all of these groups have done to western society entirely by design. It's out of control and now the agenda is barely even hidden.
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Organizations like the WHO, EU, UN, large NGO's, most Quangos, "societies" (e.g. Common Purpose, the Fabien's etc) , most political pressure groups, "hate watch" groups (Hope Not Hate, SPLC etc) all need to be outright destroyed.

It's difficult to over estimate the deliberate damage all of these groups have done to western society entirely by design. It's out of control and now the agenda is barely even hidden.

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 5.27pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Historically, the UK was the second highest contributor after the USA. More recently The Bill Gates foundation became second. China's historical funding of the WHO was minimal. Up to 2010 Britain was funding around 40 times more than China to the WHO. More recently China massively upped it's funding but still lags behind even the Scandinavian countries in individual state contributions. That may have changed but summarises all that I could find out about it. Funding is only one method. Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now. I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 5.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Funding is only one method.
Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now.

I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Funding is only one method. Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now. I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm) It's a fair point. My point would be more along the lines of why fund them at all anymore? There are loads of countries criticising Trump right now - probably because that stance does well on social media. Once this has blown over, every country will be questioning funding the WHO. It's: what has the WHO done for us? They had no centralised store of PPE ready to ship out if their original containment failed. In fact, they had no original containment or even strategy. Despite receiving billions of funding annually. I'm pretty sure that responses have been national and no-one has given two sh1ts what the WHO have said. Talking shop, probably sums them up. Waste of money is an understatement. They have something like 150 offices worldwide. Heavily branded and nicely furnished, no doubt. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 5.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Funding is only one method.
Indeed, as you can see with the US it's perhaps an ineffective one....well that might change somewhat now.

I prefer to look at the actions of the WHO in relation to different countries. That kind of tells me what's going on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2020 5.30pm)

It's a fair point. My point would be more along the lines of why fund them at all anymore? There are loads of countries criticising Trump right now - probably because that stance does well on social media.
Once this has blown over, every country will be questioning funding the WHO. It's: what has the WHO done for us? They had no centralised store of PPE ready to ship out if their original containment failed. In fact, they had no original containment or even strategy. Despite receiving billions of funding annually.
I'm pretty sure that responses have been national and no-one has given two sh1ts what the WHO have said. Talking shop, probably sums them up. Waste of money is an understatement. They have something like 150 offices worldwide. Heavily branded and nicely furnished, no doubt.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 15 Apr 20 5.39pm
Originally posted by W12 Organizations like the WHO, EU, UN, large NGO's, most Quangos, "societies" (e.g. Common Purpose, the Fabien's etc) , most political pressure groups, "hate watch" groups (Hope Not Hate, SPLC etc) all need to be outright destroyed. It's difficult to over estimate the deliberate damage all of these groups have done to western society entirely by design. It's out of control and now the agenda is barely even hidden. Yep, liberalism in both its social and economic forms has advanced the decline of the west since the end of the hegemony of the WW2 generation. We are living in an era where the west's enemies amid clueless and often selfish numbskulls hold court of the dying of its body. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Apr 20 5.39pm

Originally posted by W12

It's difficult to over estimate the deliberate damage all of these groups have done to western society entirely by design. It's out of control and now the agenda is barely even hidden.

Yep, liberalism in both its social and economic forms has advanced the decline of the west since the end of the hegemony of the WW2 generation.

We are living in an era where the west's enemies amid clueless and often selfish numbskulls hold court of the dying of its body.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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