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 Badger11  Beckenham 31 Jan 20 7.45am |
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On a more serious note what now for the EU. With the UK no longer slowing down the EU it is possible that their plans for greater harmonisation (centralisation) will increase and certainly that is the intentions of the EU officials in Brussels. However I have the suspicion that some members of the EU have been content to allow us Brits to take the lead on contentious issues knowing we would veto them so they didn't have to. Well the bad boys of the EU are gone so we may see less harmony as those countries will have to make a noise on the things they don't like. I don't see the EU collapsing anytime soon or changing direction I do see issues ahead in replacing all that lovely UK money and that in turn may stir up anti EU feelings in some countries. As for the UK well we have taken back control so it's now down to Boris and if we don't like what he does we will vote him out in 5 years. Rule Britannia.
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| Matov 31 Jan 20 9.23am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
On a more serious note what now for the EU. With the UK no longer slowing down the EU it is possible that their plans for greater harmonisation (centralisation) will increase and certainly that is the intentions of the EU officials in Brussels. However I have the suspicion that some members of the EU have been content to allow us Brits to take the lead on contentious issues knowing we would veto them so they didn't have to. Well the bad boys of the EU are gone so we may see less harmony as those countries will have to make a noise on the things they don't like. I don't see the EU collapsing anytime soon or changing direction I do see issues ahead in replacing all that lovely UK money and that in turn may stir up anti EU feelings in some countries. As for the UK well we have taken back control so it's now down to Boris and if we don't like what he does we will vote him out in 5 years. Rule Britannia. I remember reading many years ago that the best way to understand the EU was by looking at what they call the butter/olive oil divide in terms of what people put on their bread. With France perhaps representing the biggest example of a nation representing both sides of that choice. With the UK out of the picture the balance of power changes to the olive oil nations. That is the issue. Germany could always rely on us to promote the pro-business stance but now.... Interesting times. Personally I think France is the issue. Always believed that it is hiding a huge banking crisis in the making along with the possibility of Le Pen winning the Presidency. Then all bets are off.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 20 9.32am |
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When I talk of "struggling to assert" ourselves I am not talking militarily but economically. Even militarily we are hardly a world power these days. I was in Singapore a year or two ago and spent time with the head of our armed forces there. Sounds impressive? Not really. Guess how many people we have there now? Just 3! 2 of them are civilian administrators. Their only function is to provide bunkering facilities for the occasional visits by British warships. Impressive! Having nuclear submarines will deter an attack by another nuclear power but it won't help negotiate trade deals or build a manufacturing or service industry. In the internet age having an ocean next to us makes no difference at all.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 Jan 20 9.35am |
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Originally posted by Matov
I remember reading many years ago that the best way to understand the EU was by looking at what they call the butter/olive oil divide in terms of what people put on their bread. With France perhaps representing the biggest example of a nation representing both sides of that choice. With the UK out of the picture the balance of power changes to the olive oil nations. That is the issue. Germany could always rely on us to promote the pro-business stance but now.... Interesting times. Personally I think France is the issue. Always believed that it is hiding a huge banking crisis in the making along with the possibility of Le Pen winning the Presidency. Then all bets are off. And that sums up the conflict I was referring to. Germany pays for the EU and generally gets it's way but if you are correct and the so called lesser nations now start to get their way how long will the German taxpayer put up with that? The next 7 nations to join the EU are all poor so will be looking for handouts and if the EU continues with majority voting the richer nations will find themselves paying more and more. The EU has been great for Germany and France but for how long longer?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 Jan 20 9.40am |
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Just heard Sir Nicholas Soames on the radio a prominent Europhile give a good assessment of what as happened. Simply put he blamed himself and other Remainers for failing to put the case for the EU. It was good to hear someone like him making that point rather than the childish blame Nigel / Leavers / racists / little Englanders etc. It was also good to hear him say it's done now and we have to make the best of it so whilst he is sad at leaving he is moving forward.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 20 9.44am |
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Again, even economically the idea that England would 'struggle to assert' itself isn't only talking down the country it's overtly nowhere near realistic. If the UK split up and England no longer supported Scotland, Wales and Norther Ireland it would only benefit overall. The knowledge of this fact was why Scotland voted to stay in originally....they know which side their bread is buttered and even now despite your fear mongering support for a referendum isn't there. As for the economic data, we have linked to all the indicators from bodies like manufacturing and the IMF have been positive.....but as usual you continue your myopic narrative. You can't accept the result and worse, you are tied to a 'talking down' narrative that appears to be entirely related to your emotional response rather than a rational one. There will be no 'struggling', the only 'struggling' is yours in being able to move on from Brexit and understand that independence from the EU is how this nation is moving forward.
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jeeagles  31 Jan 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And that sums up the conflict I was referring to. Germany pays for the EU and generally gets it's way but if you are correct and the so called lesser nations now start to get their way how long will the German taxpayer put up with that? The next 7 nations to join the EU are all poor so will be looking for handouts and if the EU continues with majority voting the richer nations will find themselves paying more and more. The EU has been great for Germany and France but for how long longer? The UK leaving shows that the EU has failed. They are trying to force too many countries too close together too quickly. The best outcome I can see is that the UK trade negotiations will show EU nations that a more relaxed a flexible relationship will do more at bringing countries together.
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| chris123 hove actually 31 Jan 20 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And that sums up the conflict I was referring to. Germany pays for the EU and generally gets it's way but if you are correct and the so called lesser nations now start to get their way how long will the German taxpayer put up with that? The next 7 nations to join the EU are all poor so will be looking for handouts and if the EU continues with majority voting the richer nations will find themselves paying more and more. The EU has been great for Germany and France but for how long longer? German exports have benefited for years from a weak euro.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 Jan 20 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When I talk of "struggling to assert" ourselves I am not talking militarily but economically. Even militarily we are hardly a world power these days. I was in Singapore a year or two ago and spent time with the head of our armed forces there. Sounds impressive? Not really. Guess how many people we have there now? Just 3! 2 of them are civilian administrators. Their only function is to provide bunkering facilities for the occasional visits by British warships. Impressive! Having nuclear submarines will deter an attack by another nuclear power but it won't help negotiate trade deals or build a manufacturing or service industry. In the internet age having an ocean next to us makes no difference at all. UTTER BULLs*** you are talking out of your arse yet AGAIN. YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN: Naval Party 1022: A Royal Navy repair and logistics support facility at Sembawang wharf in Singapore support of the Five Power Defence Arrangements. IF YOU BOTHERED TO CHECK CORRECTLY YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MADE SUSH A STUPID STATEMENT. I have been to Singapore both as a serving Marine and as a Civvy the last time being 18 months ago when we did our visit to our daughters grave at Kranji War Cemetery which we do every couple of years. I know that I said I would not reply to your useless posts again but after reading this bulls*** about Singapore I could not help but pick you up on it. I sometimes wonder where you get all this bulls*** from to be honest.
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| DANGERCLOSE London 31 Jan 20 2.36pm |
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Happy Brexit Day To All
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 20 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
Happy Brexit Day To All Tips hat to you and all the Brexiteers and even on this momentous day to all those sourpusses. There be alcohol flowing tonight!
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 31 Jan 20 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Tips hat to you and all the Brexiteers and even on this momentous day to all those sourpusses. There be alcohol flowing tonight! CHEERS !
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