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robdave2k 29 Jan 20 11.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No to both. The first was a cave in to the nationalists. If we are to consider breaking up the UK then everyone in the UK ought to be able to decide and the only people who should do that are our representatives in Parliament. If we held an advisory UK wide national referendum on the issue which returned a greater than 2/3rds majority of registered voters in favour of the proposed change then I believe it would be difficult for any Parliament not to act. That though ought to be the only way such a huge constitutional change is made. The second is simply no. If in 50 years from now we follow the path above then that would be acceptable. Until then we stay as we are. Id agree the entire of the UK should get a vote. That said you do seem to advocate MP’s making the decisions and has been pointed out the MP representation is now sufficient to deliver Brexit. Has it occurred that maybe the electorate is tired of MP’s not representing their wishes or delivering their requests. More constituencies voted leave than remain, yet more MP’s voted against delivering. I know two of my local candidates who didn’t get in, I wouldn’t trust them to run a bath unsupervised. Election before last Labour put up a 23 year old activist who had been to uni then worked for a left-wing think tank. What in the blue blazes of holy s*** does she know about the real world? I suspect had the majority of MP’s been in favour of Brexit and the majority of the electorate not then your views would be different. But then again, unlike you I’m just one of the gullible morons who needs people like you to put me right. Edited by robdave2k (29 Jan 2020 11.31pm) Edited by robdave2k (29 Jan 2020 11.31pm)
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29 Jan 20 11.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No to both.

The first was a cave in to the nationalists. If we are to consider breaking up the UK then everyone in the UK ought to be able to decide and the only people who should do that are our representatives in Parliament.

If we held an advisory UK wide national referendum on the issue which returned a greater than 2/3rds majority of registered voters in favour of the proposed change then I believe it would be difficult for any Parliament not to act. That though ought to be the only way such a huge constitutional change is made.

The second is simply no. If in 50 years from now we follow the path above then that would be acceptable. Until then we stay as we are.

Id agree the entire of the UK should get a vote.

That said you do seem to advocate MP’s making the decisions and has been pointed out the MP representation is now sufficient to deliver Brexit.

Has it occurred that maybe the electorate is tired of MP’s not representing their wishes or delivering their requests. More constituencies voted leave than remain, yet more MP’s voted against delivering. I know two of my local candidates who didn’t get in, I wouldn’t trust them to run a bath unsupervised. Election before last Labour put up a 23 year old activist who had been to uni then worked for a left-wing think tank. What in the blue blazes of holy s*** does she know about the real world?

I suspect had the majority of MP’s been in favour of Brexit and the majority of the electorate not then your views would be different.

But then again, unlike you I’m just one of the gullible morons who needs people like you to put me right.

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Stirlingsays 29 Jan 20 11.28pm
As has been said on numerous times on this forum. Once Blair gave the UK compact (except the English) their own parliaments the timer on the UK became an inevitability. It's obvious, it's a matter of time.....Get use to it. The whole 'British' brand is nothing but a construct anyway that in modern terms has lost its meaning. As for Johnson and the possibility of the Tories being 'far right'. God, if only. 'Certain types' of political activists always lie about the 'far right'. When you're as far to the left as they are (even though some lie about it) then anything that looks like the Tory party of Thatcher's era is suddenly 'far right'. Like I've said plenty of times. I'll gladly show you 'far right' mate and I'm probably on the left of that particular movement....which doesn't call itself 'far right' anyway....the 'dissident right' is a more accurate term. Some people just live in cloud cuckoo land. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jan 2020 11.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jan 20 11.28pm

As has been said on numerous times on this forum. Once Blair gave the UK compact (except the English) their own parliaments the timer on the UK became an inevitability.

It's obvious, it's a matter of time.....Get use to it. The whole 'British' brand is nothing but a construct anyway that in modern terms has lost its meaning.

As for Johnson and the possibility of the Tories being 'far right'. God, if only.

'Certain types' of political activists always lie about the 'far right'. When you're as far to the left as they are (even though some lie about it) then anything that looks like the Tory party of Thatcher's era is suddenly 'far right'.

Like I've said plenty of times. I'll gladly show you 'far right' mate and I'm probably on the left of that particular movement....which doesn't call itself 'far right' anyway....the 'dissident right' is a more accurate term.

Some people just live in cloud cuckoo land.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jan 2020 11.31pm)

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.TUX. 29 Jan 20 11.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The coming reshuffle will be a strong indicator of just how far right this government will turn out to be. I could yet be surprised and find that Johnson takes it back to the centre right and is really a "one nation Tory". If that happens and we end up with essentially a soft Brexit, close alignment with the EU on standards and the consequent abandonment of any new US trade deal then I won't be too unhappy. Right wing politics are not "doing great for Britain" at all. If the Bank of England are contemplating cutting the already low interest rates even further that's a pretty strong indicator that there are problems ahead, despite all the cheerleading that the right wing, Brexit enthusiastic, media are doing. If the opposite happens and we get an even further right wing government, a no deal Brexit and throw ourselves onto Trump's lap whilst begging for scraps then I see the UK breaking up as a consequence, in a few years time. That's hardly us "doing great" is it? To match the ZIRP/NIRP that we've seen in your beloved EU for a long while now? Interesting. And yes, there's plenty of trouble ahead. The current system went into cardiac arrest in '08/09 and has been on financial life-support (free money........but only to the 1%) via the global Central Banking system ever since. This failing system then, once again, went into cardiac arrest last year, 17th September. Check out the 'Repo-Market' along with the hundreds of billions of dollars The Fed have been pumping in to keep this s**fest afloat. And yeah, take the time to watch The Big Short. It shows exactly how the system works and exactly who bloody benefits. Spoiler alert*........It isn't me, you or any of those who follow. Buy Litecoin.
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29 Jan 20 11.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The coming reshuffle will be a strong indicator of just how far right this government will turn out to be. I could yet be surprised and find that Johnson takes it back to the centre right and is really a "one nation Tory". If that happens and we end up with essentially a soft Brexit, close alignment with the EU on standards and the consequent abandonment of any new US trade deal then I won't be too unhappy.

Right wing politics are not "doing great for Britain" at all. If the Bank of England are contemplating cutting the already low interest rates even further that's a pretty strong indicator that there are problems ahead, despite all the cheerleading that the right wing, Brexit enthusiastic, media are doing.

If the opposite happens and we get an even further right wing government, a no deal Brexit and throw ourselves onto Trump's lap whilst begging for scraps then I see the UK breaking up as a consequence, in a few years time. That's hardly us "doing great" is it?

To match the ZIRP/NIRP that we've seen in your beloved EU for a long while now? Interesting.

And yes, there's plenty of trouble ahead.
The current system went into cardiac arrest in '08/09 and has been on financial life-support (free money........but only to the 1%) via the global Central Banking system ever since.
This failing system then, once again, went into cardiac arrest last year, 17th September.
Check out the 'Repo-Market' along with the hundreds of billions of dollars The Fed have been pumping in to keep this s***fest afloat.

And yeah, take the time to watch The Big Short. It shows exactly how the system works and exactly who bloody benefits.

*Spoiler alert*........It isn't me, you or any of those who follow.

Buy Litecoin.

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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 20 12.34am
The 'Big Short' was excellent but it only told the politically correct version. It ignored the truth that the banks were forced by 'diversity' laws enacted by Clinton to enable unsafe loans. That was a factor it completely ignored for obvious reasons. Sure Banks don't give a feck about anything other than making money by any means possible....but they aren't stupid either, the system is a political construct, not a purely meritocratic one. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2020 12.40am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Jan 20 12.34am

The 'Big Short' was excellent but it only told the politically correct version.

It ignored the truth that the banks were forced by 'diversity' laws enacted by Clinton to enable unsafe loans. That was a factor it completely ignored for obvious reasons.

Sure Banks don't give a feck about anything other than making money by any means possible....but they aren't stupid either, the system is a political construct, not a purely meritocratic one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2020 12.40am)

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davenotamonkey 30 Jan 20 1.38am
Half and half scarves in the EU parliament as we leave. As if we needed a clearer vindication of our decision to Brexit.... ...and thank f*** we are. [Tweet Link] Edited by davenotamonkey (30 Jan 2020 1.39am)
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Half and half scarves in the EU parliament as we leave. As if we needed a clearer vindication of our decision to Brexit....

...and thank f*** we are.

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dannyboy1978 30 Jan 20 6.59am
Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers. [Link]
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30 Jan 20 6.59am

Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers.
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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 20 7.09am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers. [Link] A suitable ending. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Jan 20 7.09am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers.
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A suitable ending.

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jan 20 7.36am
For those who think minting a coin and Nigel having a little party is over celebrating. [Link] Apparently many pro EU British MEPs were in tears yesterday, I can believe it waving goodbye to all that luxury and tax free benefits I'd be crying... One more point
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Beckenham 30 Jan 20 7.36am

For those who think minting a coin and Nigel having a little party is over celebrating.

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Apparently many pro EU British MEPs were in tears yesterday, I can believe it waving goodbye to all that luxury and tax free benefits I'd be crying...

One more point

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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 20 7.47am
Originally posted by Badger11 For those who think minting a coin and Nigel having a little party is over celebrating. [Link] Apparently many pro EU British MEPs were in tears yesterday, I can believe it waving goodbye to all that luxury and tax free benefits I'd be crying... They are just an Irish passport and a move away from flying their EU flag again. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2020 8.11am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Jan 20 7.47am

Originally posted by Badger11

For those who think minting a coin and Nigel having a little party is over celebrating.

[Link]

Apparently many pro EU British MEPs were in tears yesterday, I can believe it waving goodbye to all that luxury and tax free benefits I'd be crying...

They are just an Irish passport and a move away from flying their EU flag again.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2020 8.11am)

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Spiderman Horsham 30 Jan 20 8.09am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers. [Link] An EU army! Surely not, Wissie has said it is not being considered, another lie by our Nige? Or is it Wissie doesn’t actually know everything? Wissie May think they embarrassed us, I don’t, the home truths struck a chord and the unelected bureaucrats didn’t like it. Personally I thought the EU embarrassed themselves
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Horsham 30 Jan 20 8.09am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well that's it folks, well done brexiteers.
[Link]

An EU army! Surely not, Wissie has said it is not being considered, another lie by our Nige? Or is it Wissie doesn’t actually know everything? Wissie May think they embarrassed us, I don’t, the home truths struck a chord and the unelected bureaucrats didn’t like it. Personally I thought the EU embarrassed themselves

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Jan 20 9.14am
The remain remourners have been throwing fits over the British flag waving yesterday. Deborah Meaden talking about however we came across after they showed us warmth and dignity. Have to laugh. Has she been asleep for the last few years or does she live like Tom and Barbara Good of Surbiton while stocks home before stepping into her chauffeur driven car? COYP
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Caterham 30 Jan 20 9.14am

The remain remourners have been throwing fits over the British flag waving yesterday. Deborah Meaden talking about however we came across after they showed us warmth and dignity. Have to laugh. Has she been asleep for the last few years or does she live like Tom and Barbara Good of Surbiton while stocks home before stepping into her chauffeur driven car?

COYP

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 30 Jan 20 9.21am
Originally posted by Spiderman An EU army! Surely not, Wissie has said it is not being considered, another lie by our Nige? Or is it Wissie doesn’t actually know everything? Wissie May think they embarrassed us, I don’t, the home truths struck a chord and the unelected bureaucrats didn’t like it. Personally I thought the EU embarrassed themselves The EU Army point has been covered off multiple times on this thread as a red herring, it’s simply used for point scoring and galvanising an impressionable voter base - I do wish people would actually read the facts rather than take any old political statements as verbatim, an irony considering the frequency they deride others opposite to their position for talking nonsense Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 30 Jan 20 9.21am

Originally posted by Spiderman

The EU Army point has been covered off multiple times on this thread as a red herring, it’s simply used for point scoring and galvanising an impressionable voter base - I do wish people would actually read the facts rather than take any old political statements as verbatim, an irony considering the frequency they deride others opposite to their position for talking nonsense

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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