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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 29 Jan 20 9.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The coming reshuffle will be a strong indicator of just how far right this government will turn out to be. I could yet be surprised and find that Johnson takes it back to the centre right and is really a "one nation Tory". If that happens and we end up with essentially a soft Brexit, close alignment with the EU on standards and the consequent abandonment of any new US trade deal then I won't be too unhappy.

Right wing politics are not "doing great for Britain" at all. If the Bank of England are contemplating cutting the already low interest rates even further that's a pretty strong indicator that there are problems ahead, despite all the cheerleading that the right wing, Brexit enthusiastic, media are doing.

If the opposite happens and we get an even further right wing government, a no deal Brexit and throw ourselves onto Trump's lap whilst begging for scraps then I see the UK breaking up as a consequence, in a few years time. That's hardly us "doing great" is it?

So from your all seeing pedestal.....

Do you think it was right for Scotland to have a vote on independence when they did?

And

Do you think they should be allowed another now?

 

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Matov Flag 29 Jan 20 9.40pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Taking economists projections as fact is a bit dubious. How many of these far seeing savants predicted the financial collapse in 2008?
Economics is no more a science than forecasting race results.

Absolutely. Perhaps at a macro level you could argue that how a central bank sets interest rates can be used, the reality is that over-all there are to many factors and unknowns.

Had my own eyes opened to by the only person I know who has ever made money by trading on the financial markets. He has all the bits of paper, a long career in a bank and could no doubt call himself an economist but he freely admits that he trades, primarily currencies, literally on a minute by minute basis, rarely holding a position for even an hour, let alone any longer. Trades by news, nipping in for as long as it takes to make a profit and then out again.

He recommended I read 'Black Swan' by Nassim Nicholas Taleb and it changed my outlook on how the entire world works. A book I would have on the national curriculum if I had my way. Exposes the entire profession of supposed economic forecasters for what they are. Charlatans of the highest order.

Throw in the CRIMINAL way the ratings agencies acted in collusion with the bank in terms of the 2008 financial crash (if you have not done so watch 'The Big Short'. Another addition to the Matov National Curriculum) and you realise how the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. Utterly rotten and toxic.


 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Jan 20 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Remember when a trillion dollars was considered a lot?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

So from your all seeing pedestal.....

Do you think it was right for Scotland to have a vote on independence when they did?

And

Do you think they should be allowed another now?

No to both.

The first was a cave in to the nationalists. If we are to consider breaking up the UK then everyone in the UK ought to be able to decide and the only people who should do that are our representatives in Parliament.

If we held an advisory UK wide national referendum on the issue which returned a greater than 2/3rds majority of registered voters in favour of the proposed change then I believe it would be difficult for any Parliament not to act. That though ought to be the only way such a huge constitutional change is made.

The second is simply no. If in 50 years from now we follow the path above then that would be acceptable. Until then we stay as we are.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Jan 20 10.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. Perhaps at a macro level you could argue that how a central bank sets interest rates can be used, the reality is that over-all there are to many factors and unknowns.

Had my own eyes opened to by the only person I know who has ever made money by trading on the financial markets. He has all the bits of paper, a long career in a bank and could no doubt call himself an economist but he freely admits that he trades, primarily currencies, literally on a minute by minute basis, rarely holding a position for even an hour, let alone any longer. Trades by news, nipping in for as long as it takes to make a profit and then out again.

He recommended I read 'Black Swan' by Nassim Nicholas Taleb and it changed my outlook on how the entire world works. A book I would have on the national curriculum if I had my way. Exposes the entire profession of supposed economic forecasters for what they are. Charlatans of the highest order.

Throw in the CRIMINAL way the ratings agencies acted in collusion with the bank in terms of the 2008 financial crash (if you have not done so watch 'The Big Short'. Another addition to the Matov National Curriculum) and you realise how the entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. Utterly rotten and toxic.


I'll add the book to my list.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Jan 20 10.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No to both.

The first was a cave in to the nationalists. If we are to consider breaking up the UK then everyone in the UK ought to be able to decide and the only people who should do that are our representatives in Parliament.

If we held an advisory UK wide national referendum on the issue which returned a greater than 2/3rds majority of registered voters in favour of the proposed change then I believe it would be difficult for any Parliament not to act. That though ought to be the only way such a huge constitutional change is made.

The second is simply no. If in 50 years from now we follow the path above then that would be acceptable. Until then we stay as we are.

Any majority is a win.
If people cant be bothered to vote then they cant be that bothered about the result.
The registered voters bit is a red herring.
I think if you dont vote for three elections running you should have to re apply to go on the register.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Jan 20 10.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Our nationalists are so much better than their feminists.

As for the Scottish 'nationalists'.....As Sturgeon said, the 'nationalist' term for them is a legacy word as they are full on 'progressives'.

And while I have no issues with Scotland going their own way if that's what a referendum result amounts to. I fail to see how 'independence' is 'independence' if it means merely swapping which parliament you take your wider orders from.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 10.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Taking economists projections as fact is a bit dubious. How many of these far seeing savants predicted the financial collapse in 2008?

Always predicting "events" is an impossibility. Some savvy commentators, I seem to recall, were expressing concerns about banks over stretching themselves and becoming vulnerable. Not all, or enough though.

Economics is no more a science than forecasting race results.


Of course it is! It's just not infallible because of those pesky events. It can summarise where the balance of probabilities lies. Now you might argue you can do the same with a horse race and there is an illusionary truth there. However with horse racing there is a much higher number of unknowns. You (and the bookies) may well be able to work out who will start as favourite, but as to who will win?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Any majority is a win.
If people cant be bothered to vote then they cant be that bothered about the result.
The registered voters bit is a red herring.
I think if you dont vote for three elections running you should have to re apply to go on the register.

If the proposal is to change the constitution then everyone, whether interested or not, ought to turn up and vote, or cast it in some other way. Having no opinion can be an option, but not expressing that option ought not to be.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Simply smashing!


Simply shameful. He had his mike cut off. They are a disgrace to ALL of us:-

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dannyboy1978 Flag 29 Jan 20 11.13pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The coming reshuffle will be a strong indicator of just how far right this government will turn out to be. I could yet be surprised and find that Johnson takes it back to the centre right and is really a "one nation Tory". If that happens and we end up with essentially a soft Brexit, close alignment with the EU on standards and the consequent abandonment of any new US trade deal then I won't be too unhappy.

Right wing politics are not "doing great for Britain" at all. If the Bank of England are contemplating cutting the already low interest rates even further that's a pretty strong indicator that there are problems ahead, despite all the cheerleading that the right wing, Brexit enthusiastic, media are doing.

If the opposite happens and we get an even further right wing government, a no deal Brexit and throw ourselves onto Trump's lap whilst begging for scraps then I see the UK breaking up as a consequence, in a few years time. That's hardly us "doing great" is it?

You are so negative ,oh my god.
Here is some good news for you.
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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Jan 20 11.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

The difference is that the odds on a race are based, most of the time, on the balance of probabilities and are designed to limit liability for the bookmaker and not influenced by political opinions or ideologies.


 

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