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Teddy Eagle 27 Jan 20 11.49pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Because I don't have the answers! I don't actually think it would come down to making such judgements. What is true or untrue is often almost impossible to determine with any certainty at the time and only becomes clearer well after an event is over and often not then. We can have an opinion about what is true, but often that's all it ever is. What I think needs to be rooted out is where stories have been deliberately planted by those with an interest in causing us harm. Genuine discourse between individuals is not an issue. It's the industrial scale propaganda that is then picked up and circulated by those who want the propaganda to be true. But if the truth doesn’t become clear until after the event this propaganda may be true regardless of who posted it; in which case “rooting out” these messages would be propagating a falsehood.
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Teddy Eagle

27 Jan 20 11.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Because I don't have the answers!

I don't actually think it would come down to making such judgements. What is true or untrue is often almost impossible to determine with any certainty at the time and only becomes clearer well after an event is over and often not then. We can have an opinion about what is true, but often that's all it ever is.

What I think needs to be rooted out is where stories have been deliberately planted by those with an interest in causing us harm. Genuine discourse between individuals is not an issue. It's the industrial scale propaganda that is then picked up and circulated by those who want the propaganda to be true.

But if the truth doesn’t become clear until after the event this propaganda may be true regardless of who posted it; in which case “rooting out” these messages would be propagating a falsehood.

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.TUX. 28 Jan 20 7.15am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Because I don't have the answers! I don't actually think it would come down to making such judgements. What is true or untrue is often almost impossible to determine with any certainty at the time and only becomes clearer well after an event is over and often not then. We can have an opinion about what is true, but often that's all it ever is. What I think needs to be rooted out is where stories have been deliberately planted by those with an interest in causing us harm. Genuine discourse between individuals is not an issue. It's the industrial scale propaganda that is then picked up and circulated by those who want the propaganda to be true. 1. That'll be the IMF/similar. 2. That'll be you and your chums. So who exactly are the ones that've been looking at a few individual bricks but not at the wall as a whole? Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

28 Jan 20 7.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Because I don't have the answers!

What I think needs to be rooted out is where stories have been deliberately planted by those with an interest in causing us harm. Genuine discourse between individuals is not an issue. It's the industrial scale propaganda that is then picked up and circulated by those who want the propaganda to be true.

1. That'll be the IMF/similar.
2. That'll be you and your chums.

So who exactly are the ones that've been looking at a few individual bricks but not at the wall as a whole?

Buy Litecoin.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.31am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Not all the press is right wing though. The Guardian could have "trumpeted" the IT story. Or maybe it's just like I said. Maybe they did! I don't read The Guardian and it certainly wasn't referenced here. Only the triumphalist tone of the Bild piece got any attention. The point is that there is another, rather deeper, analysis of why this has happened which seems to me to be worthy of a wider circulation. Maybe in time it will get it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.31am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Not all the press is right wing though. The Guardian could have "trumpeted" the IT story. Or maybe it's just like I said.

Maybe they did! I don't read The Guardian and it certainly wasn't referenced here. Only the triumphalist tone of the Bild piece got any attention.

The point is that there is another, rather deeper, analysis of why this has happened which seems to me to be worthy of a wider circulation. Maybe in time it will get it.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.37am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But if the truth doesn’t become clear until after the event this propaganda may be true regardless of who posted it; in which case “rooting out” these messages would be propagating a falsehood. I think we can trust our intelligence services to be able to identify those actors who use the internet as a weapon to inflict harm on us. If they are in the loop then rooting out any message with a bad actor as it's base source should be possible. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.37am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But if the truth doesn’t become clear until after the event this propaganda may be true regardless of who posted it; in which case “rooting out” these messages would be propagating a falsehood.

I think we can trust our intelligence services to be able to identify those actors who use the internet as a weapon to inflict harm on us. If they are in the loop then rooting out any message with a bad actor as it's base source should be possible.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.40am
Originally posted by .TUX. 1. That'll be the IMF/similar. 2. That'll be you and your chums. So who exactly are the ones that've been looking at a few individual bricks but not at the wall as a whole? Are you being serious or just trying to be snide? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.40am

Originally posted by .TUX.

1. That'll be the IMF/similar.
2. That'll be you and your chums.

So who exactly are the ones that've been looking at a few individual bricks but not at the wall as a whole?

Are you being serious or just trying to be snide?

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Teddy Eagle 28 Jan 20 11.39am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think we can trust our intelligence services to be able to identify those actors who use the internet as a weapon to inflict harm on us. If they are in the loop then rooting out any message with a bad actor as it's base source should be possible. Have to think they’re already doing that.
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Teddy Eagle

28 Jan 20 11.39am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have to think they’re already doing that.

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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 20 11.42am
Passions run high between Piers Morgan and Terry Christian. I hope we can all agree that wishing old people would just die and Brexiteers lose their jobs is a bit tasteless and certainly doesn't do the pro EU cause any favours. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2020 11.43am) One more point
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Beckenham 28 Jan 20 11.42am

Passions run high between Piers Morgan and Terry Christian.

I hope we can all agree that wishing old people would just die and Brexiteers lose their jobs is a bit tasteless and certainly doesn't do the pro EU cause any favours.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2020 11.43am)

One more point

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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 20 11.43am
Good news for all those who care about Wisbech (I mean the place). [Link] One more point
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Beckenham 28 Jan 20 11.43am

Good news for all those who care about Wisbech (I mean the place).

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One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 11.54am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Have to think they’re already doing that. I would hope so too but what seems to yet be happening very effectively is the needed action by the social media platforms to use their sophisticated technology to weed out the chains of repeated messages. If they know a story has deliberately been planted to disrupt, distort or mislead then some way needs to be found to destroy not just the roots but all the branches which have sprung from them. Just look at some of the garbage that has been posted about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that has now become accepted by the anxious and insecure types, who form a significant part of the Trump base, as completely true. It's this that concerns me. This is turning into the post truth age and that, ultimately, is in none of our interests. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 11.54am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Have to think they’re already doing that.

I would hope so too but what seems to yet be happening very effectively is the needed action by the social media platforms to use their sophisticated technology to weed out the chains of repeated messages.

If they know a story has deliberately been planted to disrupt, distort or mislead then some way needs to be found to destroy not just the roots but all the branches which have sprung from them.

Just look at some of the garbage that has been posted about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that has now become accepted by the anxious and insecure types, who form a significant part of the Trump base, as completely true.

It's this that concerns me. This is turning into the post truth age and that, ultimately, is in none of our interests.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 12.09pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Good news for all those who care about Wisbech (I mean the place). [Link] They would struggle to simply reopen the old line as some of it has been built over to my certain knowledge. My own driveway there was once part of that line! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 12.09pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Good news for all those who care about Wisbech (I mean the place).

[Link]

They would struggle to simply reopen the old line as some of it has been built over to my certain knowledge. My own driveway there was once part of that line!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 12.15pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Passions run high between Piers Morgan and Terry Christian. I hope we can all agree that wishing old people would just die and Brexiteers lose their jobs is a bit tasteless and certainly doesn't do the pro EU cause any favours. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2020 11.43am) They are both opinionated prats using over the top statements to make their points. I am quite sure Terry Christian doesn't wish anyone any personal harm just as those who introduced austerity didn't want anyone to personally suffer. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 12.15pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Passions run high between Piers Morgan and Terry Christian.

I hope we can all agree that wishing old people would just die and Brexiteers lose their jobs is a bit tasteless and certainly doesn't do the pro EU cause any favours.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2020 11.43am)

They are both opinionated prats using over the top statements to make their points.

I am quite sure Terry Christian doesn't wish anyone any personal harm just as those who introduced austerity didn't want anyone to personally suffer.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 28 Jan 20 12.17pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Good news for all those who care about Wisbech (I mean the place). [Link] Capital of the Fens. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Jan 20 12.17pm