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 Kermit8  Hevon 06 Apr 15 6.31pm |
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Our business survey said: John Cridland, CBI Director-General: “This sends a clear message that most CBI members, big and small, support UK membership of the EU. “Firms want what is best for jobs and growth, and there is genuine concern that an exit would hit business investment and access to the world’s largest trading bloc. “The UK should take the lead on the push for reform and make sure rules are evenly applied across the EU. Businesses are also concerned about the UK gold-plating legislation from Brussels. “Businesses do have some serious concerns about the EU, but ultimately they want the UK inside the tent winning the argument for reform.” Among the survey’s key findings: 71% said the UK’s membership has had a positive or very positive impact on their businesses, with 16% stating it had no impact and 13% that the impact was negative Sorry UKIPPERS....but ypu are the Ralph Wiggum of business economics and thank fvck the likes of you will not be in charge.
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matt_himself  Matataland 06 Apr 15 6.56pm |
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Apr 15 7.41pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 Apr 2015 6.56pm
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
"Norway’s rejection of EU membership has given the country less self-determination, not more"
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| matt_himself Matataland 06 Apr 15 7.49pm |
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
"Norway’s rejection of EU membership has given the country less self-determination, not more"
Are you pissed? You are somewhat cocky and below intellectual par today. And ranting. Me thinks someone has been on the sauce. You post a blog as a response. That is pathetic. Come back with something more substantive. For example, proving how the Norwegians and the Swiss are underperformance economically or their standards of living are shot because they aren't in the EU.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Apr 15 8.02pm |
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
"Norway’s rejection of EU membership has given the country less self-determination, not more"
Are you pissed? You are somewhat cocky and below intellectual par today. And ranting. Me thinks someone has been on the sauce. You post a blog as a response. That is pathetic. Come back with something more substantive. For example, proving how the Norwegians and the Swiss are underperformance economically or their standards of living are shot because they aren't in the EU.
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| matt_himself Matataland 06 Apr 15 10.23pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Apr 2015 8.02pm
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
"Norway’s rejection of EU membership has given the country less self-determination, not more"
Are you pissed? You are somewhat cocky and below intellectual par today. And ranting. Me thinks someone has been on the sauce. You post a blog as a response. That is pathetic. Come back with something more substantive. For example, proving how the Norwegians and the Swiss are underperformance economically or their standards of living are shot because they aren't in the EU.
You are pissed. You are jumping from debate on Norway and the EU to a survey conducted on behalf of the CBI. No logical train of thought or coherent argument. A hallmark of pick n mix lefties who have no real ideological depth.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 15 11.04pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 Apr 2015 10.23pm
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Luckily at least 85% of the voting population are not intransigently blinkered to the point of masochism and will not be voting UKIP. The economic fallout and social upheaval and potential unrest from disparity and threat to services from leaving the EU is, frankly, frightening. It is at this point that the UKIPPERS tend to put their fingers in their ears and go 'la,la,la,la' And the really stupid thing, and something that UKIP prefer not to dwell on for obvious reasons, is that we will still have to adhere to EU rules in regard to every single dealing we will have with it. Ergo- they will call the shots. So not only will we be worse off we will now be outsiders. Brilliant thinking and strategy Nigel et al. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Apr 2015 5.59pm)
You have posted 'evidence' on here of how a Brexit would harm the UK and the same 'evidence' stated that if the right treaties were negotiated (the same as Norway and the Swiss have the EU) then Britain would see an increase in GDP! You need to back up your faux-wise ponderings with some thought and fact, Michael.
That IS fact, isn't it, Matthew or do you beg to differ? What say you? Deflection by Michael. Another one. And no to your question, do the Swiss and Norwegians and Americans and the Chinese adhere to every EU rule when dealing with them? Of course not. They have mutually agreed treaties outling how the bodies will interact.
"Norway’s rejection of EU membership has given the country less self-determination, not more"
Are you pissed? You are somewhat cocky and below intellectual par today. And ranting. Me thinks someone has been on the sauce. You post a blog as a response. That is pathetic. Come back with something more substantive. For example, proving how the Norwegians and the Swiss are underperformance economically or their standards of living are shot because they aren't in the EU.
You are pissed. You are jumping from debate on Norway and the EU to a survey conducted on behalf of the CBI. No logical train of thought or coherent argument. A hallmark of pick n mix lefties who have no real ideological depth.
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| legaleagle 06 Apr 15 11.17pm |
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From the European Commission website: "As member state of the European Economic Area, Norway fully applies the whole acquis communautaire relevant to the four freedoms (free movement of goods, persons, services and capital) (my emphasis), along with that pertinent to flanking policies (ie transport, competition, social policy, consumer protection, environment, statistics and company law). As a result, the EEA agreement provides for a high degree of economic integration, common competition rules, rules for state aid and government procurement. Agriculture and fisheries are not covered by the EEA Agreement. However, Article 19 thereof highlights the commitment of the parties to progressive liberalisation of agricultural trade, which is achieved through the conclusion of separate agreements on that basis." Would seem they are pretty tied into the general EU modus operandi... Edited by legaleagle (06 Apr 2015 11.21pm)
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| TUX redhill 06 Apr 15 11.27pm |
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Chaos round the corner?
The right has fallen for a mixture of half-truths – the European Union undoubtedly diminished national sovereignty – and fantasy. It is not only the leaders and partisans of Ukip who are in a dreamland; David Cameron has been unable to fight Ukip, because large sections of the Tory party agree and the entire Tory press are in it too." .......Have not and will not ever make a difference. The world we live in along with the choices we're 'allowed' show this.
I see it every day but somehow it passes you by.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Apr 15 8.40am |
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Quote legaleagle at 06 Apr 2015 11.17pm
From the European Commission website: "As member state of the European Economic Area, Norway fully applies the whole acquis communautaire relevant to the four freedoms (free movement of goods, persons, services and capital) (my emphasis), along with that pertinent to flanking policies (ie transport, competition, social policy, consumer protection, environment, statistics and company law). As a result, the EEA agreement provides for a high degree of economic integration, common competition rules, rules for state aid and government procurement. Agriculture and fisheries are not covered by the EEA Agreement. However, Article 19 thereof highlights the commitment of the parties to progressive liberalisation of agricultural trade, which is achieved through the conclusion of separate agreements on that basis." Would seem they are pretty tied into the general EU modus operandi... Edited by legaleagle (06 Apr 2015 11.21pm) I think you will find that Norway has elected to opt into many EEA projects and imitatives and contributes to them accordingly. We have no choice. That is the difference. Why did you choose to only focus on Norway and not comment on Switzerland, as per the conversation thread?
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| legaleagle 07 Apr 15 9.59am |
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I referred to Norway,in light of your post at 10.23pm last night which also referred to Norway,at the time your last post. You are quite right that Norway has opted of its own volition to be a member of the EEA. As for Switzerland,from the Gov.UK website: "Switzerland is neither an EU or EEA member but is part of the single market - this means Swiss nationals have the same rights to live and work in the UK as other EEA nationals". The interesting thing is that both Norway and Switzerland have concluded that it is appropriate to sign up for free movement of labour (generally the major bugbear of most anti-EU posters on here) as a part of getting access to the "single market",presumably because the reality is that it is a necessary part of the "going rate" for such countries to be able to access the trade benefits from an agreement with the EU.Given those examples,we would be unwise to assume we could exact a different "price" IMO. Edited by legaleagle (07 Apr 2015 11.17am)
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| EricYoung'sSweatBand 07 Apr 15 2.09pm |
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Edited by legaleagle (07 Apr 2015 11.17am) I'd love to see a pro-UKIP response to this as the Norway/Swtizerland paradigm is a key argument for them as seen above.
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