You really don't believe that do you?

He certainly did.

What I think is that we will be forced into compliance as they won't accept any kind of compromise.

That shows what kind of trade "deal" we can look forward to.

We are in a weaker position than Oliver Twist requesting some more food from Scrooge.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

So you do then? Obama's not in charge anymore....Boris and Trump will sort it out!

This is what you wrote in response, presumably to Badger's link to the Mail article or my IMF link.

'We have been recently been offered one opinion piece from a European paper on Brexit, which has received widespread coverage in the right wing British press.

Here is another which I wager won't get ANY coverage but is in my view every bit as relevant:-

[Link]'

Well, Badger's link to the Mail's positive opinion piece on Brexit contained within it a reference to the Confederation of British Industry reporting the biggest surge in confidence on record among manufacturers, with companies planning to ramp- up investment.

It also referred to the CBI's report which reported yet another fall in unemployment in the British jobs market.

This is in concert with the IMF's positive predictions for the UK economy for the next two years.

So taken holistically it looks pretty damning for the doom mongering that people like you have been spreading for a considerable time.

So whether you directly linked your reply in response to Badger's link or mine the idea that we are misrepresenting you is curious.

You posted that amusing Irish Times link in reponse to the good news we presented and your post itself is the evidence for that.

The Irish piece predicted hard times for the English after Brexit, whereas the IMF predict an economy doing better than the EU average. For you to state there is no connection is absurd and you posted it as an alternative viewpoint.

As for my viewpoint on the IMF, I already stated my opinions as to their motivations.

I would agree that reality is reality once something has happened and that political and economic predictions are often fused and not entirely honest.

However, this hasn't stopped you has it? I've seen no, 'on one hand and on the other' from you. All we get is undiluted activism so for you to make an argument for balance is truly 'bs baffles brains' manifest.

Regarding the horse trading in negotiations none of that is remarkable and while I look forward to the US deal no one with any sense thinks it's all going to be plain sailing.....But they won't be requiring that we become a part of a superstate.....so there's that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2020 10.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'Yes some commentators have been banned. Why was that? Not I would suggest because of their political views. Everyone is entitled to hold whatever views they want. No, they have been banned because they broke the rules of the sites they were using. Commercial operators can make whatever rules they like. It's their business and not yours or mine. Don't want to be banned? Stick to the rules. Don't like the rules? Find another site.'

I think I have a certain sympathy with this opinion.

However, not when the social media companies and their payment processors themselves act as a monopoly.

Alternative sites and companies have been effectively shut down by this monopoly.....So if this idea that....'don't like it, just move to another site'...well that isn't in actually a statement that relates to reality.

The social media companies abuse their position.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2020 10.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I said that the piece in the Irish Times was an interesting and worthwhile read that introduced a new perspective to me. Not that it was covering the same subject as did the piece in the Bild.

The point was that the right wing press picked up the Bild piece and trumpeted it all over their front pages whilst I wagered the Irish Times one would be ignored, because it didn't suit their agendas.

I think the views expressed in the Irish Times make a lot of sense and explain quite well why we have ended in this position. I see some are already going into denial mode but it will take a few years before we know it it proves to be accurate. If Ireland reunifies, as I think now looks inevitable, then the pressure from Scotland will become almost impossible to resist. If the UK breaks up would Wales want to follow Scotland? I wouldn't bet against it. What future then for England? Back into a reformed EU as an associate member I suspect. Probably not in my lifetime though!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.