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 Mapletree  Croydon 15 Apr 20 11.25am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Luckily then it's not you who needs convincing. Trump doesnt get the info himself. He employs people who have clearly identified an issue. Trump is the one to pass on the message. If other countries start questioning their contributions and the help that the WHO have been, how would your take on it be then? Trump does everything for Trump Do not make the mistake of thinking there is objective rationality involved in his decision making. It is his personal rationale, how can I help me. And on this occasion how can I cover up my inadequacy.
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Apr 20 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Trump does everything for Trump Do not make the mistake of thinking there is objective rationality involved in his decision making. It is his personal rationale, how can I help me. And on this occasion how can I cover up my inadequacy. 25k dead and that's your take on it. Whatever floats your boat maple.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 20 11.33am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
25k dead and that's your take on it. Whatever floats your boat maple. My boat is that Trump himself made an awful mess. Had he followed the WHO guidance it would not be as bad in the US now. The US was the most prepared for a pandemic, yet frittered away its advantage. Which is why Trump is now deflecting blame It was such a good idea to let the States compete with each other for PPE wasn't it? And not to lock-down quickly. And to keep open flights. Etc. The only action taken early was to 'punish' China, a country with which Trump wishes to have beef.
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| Midlands Eagle 15 Apr 20 11.46am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It's also my view plus millions of others that don't view Trump as God
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
But would you pay your builder? It's a poor analogy. You can tell whether your builder met their contracted obligations or not and will normally have a 10% retention to cover unforeseen problems. If there is a dispute then there are established routes to a resolution. Whether the WHO have performed well, or not, is definitely a matter of opinion at the moment. Time alone will clarify those opinions and even then is likely not to be universally shared.
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| cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
My boat is that Trump himself made an awful mess. Had he followed the WHO guidance it would not be as bad in the US now. The US was the most prepared for a pandemic, yet frittered away its advantage. Which is why Trump is now deflecting blame It was such a good idea to let the States compete with each other for PPE wasn't it? And not to lock-down quickly. And to keep open flights. Etc. The only action taken early was to 'punish' China, a country with which Trump wishes to have beef. Strange then that just last week he tried to take national control and was told he couldn't override separate state decisions. Square that circle with your PPE line.
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| cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's a poor analogy. You can tell whether your builder met their contracted obligations or not and will normally have a 10% retention to cover unforeseen problems. If there is a dispute then there are established routes to a resolution. Whether the WHO have performed well, or not, is definitely a matter of opinion at the moment. Time alone will clarify those opinions and even then is likely not to be universally shared. Bad analogy or not you missed the point. If you had say a 60k 6 month job at 8k a month and a final payment. Your builder didnt do the work properly in month 3 you would still pay him without question.
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| cryrst The garden of England 15 Apr 20 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It's also my view plus millions of others that don't view Trump as God Trump clearly isnt god. Our goalie is, but scratch the surface and his actions actually speak louder than words. If you and WE dislike trump fair enough but iyo has the WHO done a good or even responsible job. Many countries have acted on their bad advice including the uk I would presume. Hence why we have got more than 20k dead and loads more to go. If the WHO had been as honest as they should have been we would have locked down earlier and saved lives and money. That is the point. 20k btw is including untested deaths as is the presumption.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Apr 20 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Bad analogy or not you missed the point. If you had say a 60k 6 month job at 8k a month and a final payment. Your builder didnt do the work properly in month 3 you would still pay him without question. The UN is a joke just look at which countries sit on their Human Rights Council. The UN is just a stick for countries to beat the western democracies and Israel with.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 20 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The UN is a joke just look at which countries sit on their Human Rights Council. The UN is just a stick for countries to beat the western democracies and Israel with.
In all fairness, it is marginally better than the League of Nations. That's about it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 20 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Bad analogy or not you missed the point. If you had say a 60k 6 month job at 8k a month and a final payment. Your builder didnt do the work properly in month 3 you would still pay him without question. I think it's you who is missing the point. Trump, and it seems you, are making assumptions about the WHO and treating them as established fact. What they did, when and why they did it in a fast developing situation is a matter for quiet reflection at the appropriate time. Which isn't now in the middle of a crisis. Trump is deliberately setting up a confrontation as a means to divert attention away from himself and shift the blame. Admitting mistakes, if there were any, is for tomorrow. Right now we all need to pull together, listen to the collective wisdom of the world's experts using the current knowledge and then do our individual bit. Attacking the WHO is really, really stupid.
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| blackheatheagle Beckenham 15 Apr 20 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think it's you who is missing the point. Trump, and it seems you, are making assumptions about the WHO and treating them as established fact. What they did, when and why they did it in a fast developing situation is a matter for quiet reflection at the appropriate time. Which isn't now in the middle of a crisis. Trump is deliberately setting up a confrontation as a means to divert attention away from himself and shift the blame. Admitting mistakes, if there were any, is for tomorrow. Right now we all need to pull together, listen to the collective wisdom of the world's experts using the current knowledge and then do our individual bit. Attacking the WHO is really, really stupid. Why fast developing situation is a tolerance element for WHO but not for Trump? In that case, in a fast developing situation, there shouldn`t be a conclusion that Trump or any other government messed it up. I try to understand the missing point really here that critics for WHO is parked as assumptions but there are lots of conclusions for politicians. WHO has only one job and they seem to be terribly failing. I am not defending politicians actually, i mostly hate them but i guess worth to bring WHO to same accountability level.
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