Germany was bound by a treaty at the end of WW1.........

As far as I can see WE (and I've no desire to argue as you are never wrong) but your logic is based on.

We should elect officials to make decisions on our behalf. They should vote with their knowledge and conscience

but

If we elect the wrong person (Trump) then good sense should prevail and they should be excluded.

Personally I think Trump is a monkey in a suit, who is wholly unfit for Government, but the fact he exists should tell us something. Not every person who voted out is anti immigration and Anti EU. People vote based on personal circumstances, your one is is that life has worked in a way that has allowed you to benefit from a lot of advantages - and fair play to you for taking advantage of that and ending up in a lovely part of the world.

But your perspective is based on your experiences. You've made comment about how Wisbech is these days - I've seen Wisbech too and I can well understand why it had the highest "vote out" percentage in the East, because most people can't "pull themselves up" like you have.

I'm 42 years old and in the pandemic I saw all three sides - I ran a business, I advised other businesses and I lost a parent to Covid. The latter I knew would be in trouble if he caught it, but that the hangover from excessive lockdowns would be extensive and the public sector has very little idea of how the private sector works. Every side thinks they are right, whereas the reality is that it is hindsight.

I respect you have conviction in your beliefs, but my God you are one patronizing arse, who I suspect thinks himself this educated individual who should be listened to more than others. Remind you of someone who is thinking of running of President? I don't think Trump should be anywhere near President, but to dismiss anyone thinking of voting for him as a moron is dictatorial and highlights the whole reason he exists. It's one of the large reasons people voted out, that the Remain side didn't do enough to convince and understand why anyone would vote out, besides being a racist Little Englander.

You mean apart from the many race riots over the years, terrorist attacks, mass rape of children, rampant knife, gun and drug crime.
Along with the massive industry of race relations trying to keep the lid on things and letting teachers having to go into hiding for fear of their lives.
Oh, and not to mention modern slavery, genital mutilation and honour killings. The strains on services, housing etc by massive increases in population numbers is probably too obvious to mention, as is the obvious real lack of integration and adoption of British culture.

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6-ft’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits.

Fauci is another who is going to be very nervous if the GOP take over.....In fact if Trump wins perhaps several prominent Democratic figures will leave the country.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No, I mean there haven’t been any rivers of blood.

Exactly where have there been any race riots?

Some of the worst terrorist attacks we witnessed came from the IRA.

Yes, we have seen appalling behaviour from some new arrivals that reflect badly on them but also on us for failing to do enough to ensure they both accepted our standards and removed them if they did not. We have also seen many wonderful, hard working new arrivals playing important, often essential, roles in our society.

Things like knife and drug crime are not limited to immigrants. Stamping out such things as modern slavery, genital mutilation and honour killings is essential and is again as much our failure as anything else. We need to have zero tolerance of such things and no one should be in any doubt about that from day 1.

We need people to maintain and develop the economy. Whether they come by us increasing our birth rate or via immigration doesn’t change the fact that our infrastructure must expand to serve them. If it hasn’t that’s our failure. Not their’s.

That we ought to do more to get the feckless off benefits and back to work is certainly also true. That we don’t is another failure. I want to see everyone on benefits who is in any way capable of work, working. Even if all they can do is use a phone or a keyboard they should be required to do something, or lose something.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Jan 2024 8.55pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Powell never used the words “rivers of blood” in his speech.

Have you not followed the news over the last 60 odd years? A few race riots to be going on with:
1980 St Pauls riot, 1981 Chapeltown riots, 1981 Moss Side riot, 1981 Toxteth riots, 1985 Handsworth riots, 1989 Dewsbury riot, 2001 Oldham riots, 2005 Birmingham riots, 2001 Bradford riots, 1985 Brixton riot, 1985 Broadwater Farm riot, 1975 Chapeltown riot, 2001 Harehills riot, 1958 Notting Hill race riots, 1958 St Ann's riots.

Some of the worst terrorist attacks we have witnessed came from Islamic immigrant and/or their children.

Those with Caribbean heritage are over represented for gun, knife and drug crime.

Modern slavery, genital mutilation and honour killings are almost entirely largely the preserve of some immigrant groups – although I accept that some ‘traveller’ ‘communities’ are not adverse to modern slavery.

Straws and grasping spring to mind.