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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 27 Nov 20 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I'm not annoyed. Why would I be annoyed. Its america not britain. Geez mate discussion and words are for interpretation by the listener or reader! In some cases, yes.
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cryrst The garden of England 27 Nov 20 6.53pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Access, yes. Ability to take over the running of the country until Jan, no. It's also appears to be common knowledge that this guy has been on an Israeli hit list for some time. Trump may or may not be involved, but it does appear that he want's to go down antagonising so this may well be just one of many shots fired. If they have the potential to maybe comit mass fraud then nothing is beyond their control.if it isnt the US this time its probable within year. The left love a war. Increases arms sales!
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cryrst The garden of England 27 Nov 20 6.54pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump has been desperate for war against Iran but they are not going to fall for this. Probably Israel anyway, but what does it actually achieve? Tomorrow he will be replaced by someone else. A less able replacement would also be a less safe one.
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 20 12.46am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump has been desperate for war against Iran but they are not going to fall for this. Probably Israel anyway, but what does it actually achieve? Tomorrow he will be replaced by someone else. A less able replacement would also be a less safe one.
If I may say so that's a bit innocently minded. If you think Israel's aggressive strategy isn't a wise one I suggest you look at how it has served them these last seventy years....look at the standard of living of their people compared to the region. They are the modern example of 'might is right'. Sure Iran will replace this guy....he will have to spend time learning his job and they will have to spend money and other resources protecting him as they have to for all the top officials with jobs that target Israel. It's a bargaining chip between enemies that Israel can use when eventually they sit down. For Israel it's a long term strategy....they have their big brother in their pocket......they have legally put a stop to demographic change in their country and currently the only way to beat them is nuclear and that's mutual destruction. The one thing Israel isn't is stupid. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 1.04am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 20 8.29am | |
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Release The Kraken* For once I agree with the BBC so far all we have had is wild allegations not backed up with any evidence as the judges said in Pennsylvania last night. Never mind mind Kraken more like a damp squid (yes I know its squib). *This is a much quoted line from that 80's movie Clash Of The Titans.
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 20 9.19am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Release The Kraken* For once I agree with the BBC so far all we have had is wild allegations not backed up with any evidence as the judges said in Pennsylvania last night. Never mind mind Kraken more like a damp squid (yes I know its squib). *This is a much quoted line from that 80's movie Clash Of The Titans. Well there are many Affidavits when they give evidence of observers not being able to do their jobs. Then you have the voting dumps of mail in ballots which are near total Biden votes. A situation where Biden gets more votes than Obama....Mmmm. I haven't seen explanations for these that show how they could all be valid votes. Why are these being called 'wild allegations'? I think there has been vote harvesting and I think the legal systems in these states don't want to know and are willing to accept excuses. I don't think Biden can confidently say he would have won without the mail in ballots. I regard the republicans as having a semi legitimate 'cause celebre' to keep them warm over these next few years and considering how the Democrats behaved I view it as 'what's good for the goose'. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 9.26am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 20 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well there are many Affidavits when they give evidence of observers not being able to do their jobs. Then you have the voting dumps of mail in ballots which are near total Biden votes. A situation where Biden gets more votes than Obama....Mmmm. I haven't seen explanations for these that show how they could all be valid votes. Why are these being called 'wild allegations'? I think there has been vote harvesting and I think the legal systems in these states don't want to know and are willing to accept excuses. I don't think Biden can confidently say he would have won without the mail in ballots. I regard the republicans as having a semi legitimate 'cause celebre' to keep them warm of these next few years and considering how the Democrats behaved I view it as 'what's good for the goose'.
Democracy is about the loser accepting the result. I find I am now on the other side of the argument from Brexit. I didn't want Biden to win (nor Trump either) but so far nothing has changed my mind that the vote was anything but fair. Trump will do what he does but the Republican leadership should be ashamed of themselves not speaking out and accepting the change in power, that way leads to tyranny.
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 20 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Democracy is about the loser accepting the result. Is it? Did the Democratic party accept it in 2016? Trump has started the transition so he's willing to accept the electoral college, so as far as I see he's just treating in kind. Originally posted by Badger11
I find I am now on the other side of the argument from Brexit. I didn't want Biden to win (nor Trump either) but so far nothing has changed my mind that the vote was anything but fair. Well you went as far as to support the 'wild allegations' leftist media take. There is actual evidence, which I stated and questions to be asked but so far all I've seen in state courts reports are statements like 'no evidence'....could someone actually provide actual legitimate explanations for near total Biden mail in votes delivered in late and how they couldn't be fraud? I haven't seen why I should accept phrases like 'wild allegations'? The Democrats have been complaining about conservative judges being in the majority on their supreme court (when the judiciary is majority left) yet....when it comes to state courts it's all apparently fine and dandy? Nothing to see here? Originally posted by Badger11
Trump will do what he does but the Republican leadership should be ashamed of themselves not speaking out and accepting the change in power, that way leads to tyranny. Al Gore didn't concede until 37 days after losing to Bush and that was because of one state. Were we getting all this complaining from the media then? I think the media have double standards and many people just don't care about that. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 9.45am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 20 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Al Gore didn't concede until 37 days after losing to Bush and that was because of one state. Were we getting all this complaining from the media then? I think the media have double standards and many people just don't care about that. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 9.45am) In the case of Florida both Democrats and Republicans accepted that there was a problem with the voting process e.g. hanging chads. They may not have accepted the result but there was no dispute about whether a problem existed. As for the rest I am sceptical until we see the evidence. I don't doubt that the media was biased against Trump but then every Labour leader up to Tony Blair could say the same thing about our media. If the Supreme court rejects all these allegations will you and Matthau accept that?
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 20 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In the case of Florida both Democrats and Republicans accepted that there was a problem with the voting process e.g. hanging chads. They may not have accepted the result but there was no dispute about whether a problem existed. As for the rest I am sceptical until we see the evidence. I don't doubt that the media was biased against Trump but then every Labour leader up to Tony Blair could say the same thing about our media. If the Supreme court rejects all these allegations will you and Matthau accept that? Yeah sure I will. My argument is more about this acceptance that Biden won without any fraud. I don't see that myself. I see questions that haven't been legitimately answered yet....on vote observation and especially on mail in ballots where I can see the potential for vote harvesting. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 10.14am)
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 20 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah sure I will. My argument is more about this acceptance that Biden won without any fraud. I don't see that myself. I see questions that haven't been legitimately answered yet....on vote observation and especially on mail in ballots where I can see the potential for vote harvesting. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2020 10.14am) Fair enough.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 20 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Then you have the voting dumps of mail in ballots which are near total Biden votes. A situation where Biden gets more votes than Obama....Mmmm. I haven't seen explanations for these that show how they could all be valid votes. Why are these being called 'wild allegations'?
They are being called "wild allegations" because they are wild allegations, which have repeatedly been debunked. That you haven't seen the explanations can only be because you either don't read them or reject them due to their sources. I have and those I read all gave perfectly logical explanations. Trying to build mountains of conspiracies from molehills of delivery delays or clerical errors is indeed to make wild allegations.
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