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legaleagle Flag 27 May 17 1.34pm

The below says it all...


"Among those to have drawn a connection between Britain’s military action and terrorism are the former head of MI5 Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller and the former chair of the Joint Intelligence Committee, Dame Pauline Neville-Jones.

You can add to that list one Boris Johnson who wrote in 2005: “The Iraq war did not create the problem of murderous Islamic fundamentalists, though the war has unquestionably sharpened the resentments felt by such people in this country, and given them a new pretext.”

Mr Johnson yesterday described Mr Corbyn’s speech as “monstrous.”

 

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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 27 May 17 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

The fact is, now Corbyn is getting airtime, the more people are warming to him and Labour's vision.

Tories are bricking it.

I happen to agree with you nick, The Tories should be absolutely hammering Corbyn, this should have been the most pointless election in my lifetime yet the gap is closing & the Tories have no idea how respond.

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 17 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

The below says it all...


"Among those to have drawn a connection between Britain’s military action and terrorism are the former head of MI5 Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller and the former chair of the Joint Intelligence Committee, Dame Pauline Neville-Jones.

You can add to that list one Boris Johnson who wrote in 2005: “The Iraq war did not create the problem of murderous Islamic fundamentalists, though the war has unquestionably sharpened the resentments felt by such people in this country, and given them a new pretext.”

Mr Johnson yesterday described Mr Corbyn’s speech as “monstrous.”

Johnson's view on resentments and on Corbyn's policy proposals are by no means mutually exclusive.

I'd agree with both of Johnson's comments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2017 1.40pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 17 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Want to elaborate? I've given Corbyn credit for doing alot better than I thought he would but other than that, I still think they're all c***s

What's the point? You equate May as being as bad as Corbyn. It's obvious that what is important to you differs from me.

Like I say, man overboard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2017 1.48pm)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 May 17 3.11pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Mrs May as home secretary cut police numbers ruthlessly with no regard for public safety.

Labour offer 10,000 more police officers and show us where the money will come from.

What's not to like.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 May 17 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Mrs May as home secretary cut police numbers ruthlessly with no regard for public safety.

Labour offer 10,000 more police officers and show us where the money will come from.

What's not to like.

More national debt and people who can't do sums?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 May 17 3.37pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More national debt and people who can't do sums?

No argument to my point about police numbers there.

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 27 May 17 4.42pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Johnson's view on resentments and on Corbyn's policy proposals are by no means mutually exclusive.

I'd agree with both of Johnson's comments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2017 1.40pm)

Eh? How do you work that one out?

This isn't just Johnson. The US intelligence agency, MI6 reports, and seemingly half the cabinet have previously echoed what Corbyn said, yet now condemn him.

In my eyes the only criticism of Corbyn is that his comments don't go far enough. We still support and rely on Saudi Arabia, for example, who helped fund the Mujahadeen which Bin Laden emerged from, and were primary financiers of ISIS. Even now they are driving millions of Yemenites in to poverty, starvation and exile. ISIS and Al Qaeda are both growing exponentially in Yemen.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 27 May 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No argument to my point about police numbers there.

You think if we had even 10 times as many police it would have stopped Manchesterr from happening?

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 27 May 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Eh? How do you work that one out?

This isn't just Johnson. The US intelligence agency, MI6 reports, and seemingly half the cabinet have previously echoed what Corbyn said, yet now condemn him.

In my eyes the only criticism of Corbyn is that his comments don't go far enough. We still support and rely on Saudi Arabia, for example, who helped fund the Mujahadeen which Bin Laden emerged from, and were primary financiers of ISIS. Even now they are driving millions of Yemenites in to poverty, starvation and exile. ISIS and Al Qaeda are both growing exponentially in Yemen.

Whatever foreign policy we have, whatever concessions to Islamic ideas we have still they would want to blow us up, still they would want to have an Islamic totalitarian regime here.


Edited by hedgehog50 (27 May 2017 5.32pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 May 17 5.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No argument to my point about police numbers there.

You use police figures like you use the NHS. It's just election blah blah.
Labour increased police numbers and at the same time increased the national debt. The Tories have spent the last two terms trying to pay off the interest and get spending down to a manageable level.
I would like to see the necessary number of police on the streets but strangely that number always seems to be more than there actually is at any given time. Numbers are just reducing to the levels they were at before Labour overspending.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 17 6.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Eh? How do you work that one out?

This isn't just Johnson. The US intelligence agency, MI6 reports, and seemingly half the cabinet have previously echoed what Corbyn said, yet now condemn him.

In my eyes the only criticism of Corbyn is that his comments don't go far enough. We still support and rely on Saudi Arabia, for example, who helped fund the Mujahadeen which Bin Laden emerged from, and were primary financiers of ISIS. Even now they are driving millions of Yemenites in to poverty, starvation and exile. ISIS and Al Qaeda are both growing exponentially in Yemen.

A recognition that an extremist section of a minority feel resentment over foreign policy is not an excuse for a policy for appeasement.

Poland took part in both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars....They don't get Islamic terrorist attacks, they are very rare in many eastern EU countries for obvious reasons.....though I doubt you would support the political decisions that led to that....even though there are people alive in Poland now who wouldn't be otherwise.

Extremist groups have been a serious problem in Yehem for a long time...for a significant time before the House of Saud got involved.

Yours and others wishful thinking attachment to a foreign policy that appeases to reduce attacks is nothing short of simplistic thinking. The problem is here....thanks for the stupidity of idealists....it is here now....and different governments or foreign policies won't change anything.

There have always been high level supporters of a policy of appeasement. It's gone from official governmental policy in the past to being derided as a fool's path.

I guess you can guess what I consider it as.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2017 6.28pm)

 


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