I don't care what happened 100 years ago either, but if we had not spread ourselves across the globe like we would not have become the honeypot we are now (language, culture, etc). It is what happened. Perhaps the leaders post war should not have sent thousands to Australia and shipped in thousands from the Caribbean and other commonwealth nations, but that is what they did and we can't change that. There will always be immigration and likely most of those immigrants will be from non-EU countries. We can't stop it happening. We have a declining birth rate among the indigenous population. Those from poorer countries have a higher birth rate for their own survival, so the ratio over here will change until migrants cease to be as poor (rich people's kids don't die so much). I am not saying I like any of this either, but time moves forward, the 50s are long gone.

No, we aren't 'living with the consequences'. We are living with really really bad decisions voluntarily taken since WW2...There was zero compulsion....and what you originally said was definitely a 'sins of the fathers' argument and it's quite depressing that this is your view of what is just.

The answer is to take the Japanese model for future immigration policy and to take the Hungary model on rewarding native births.

Anyone who hasn't been born here will be subject to the same controls that operate within Japan. So a Zaha, would operate on a permit.

He decided his loyalty was to Ivory Coast, that's fair enough. He's a foreign player and eventually once his work commitment is finished here he'd go back. A rich man who can be a role model in his own country.

Your 'inevitability' argument isn't that at all. It's a decision to go down a path that leads to dystopia ....we are seeing it in the US and it'll be here within twenty years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jan 2020 6.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Most s.e Asian countries will not allow foreigners to do jobs which their own folk can do. Also all foreigners have to report to immigration every 30 to 90 days which is a ballache but it works!

Also raises the question that if Britain has always been a nation of immigrants why the blame for previous generations activities always falls on the indigenous population.

Well, I was saying what could be done rather than a return to the 50s.....Personally I don't agree with dual citizenship and many other countries don't either.

However, that's relatively minor in the scheme of things.

I agree with you on Brexit and your idea of the future is currently definitely what we are on the path towards.

It just isn't a path for me and my young family.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jan 2020 7.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That's up to you. It matters not a jot to me if you believe it or not. What matters is that it is true and as a reward for your sarcasm let me further inform you I have many friends, some of who I was with this afternoon. Several are also Brexiteers but that doesn't get in the way of our friendship as we show each other mutual respect. I don't get a lot of that here! From a handful, sometimes in private, but not from the core.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.