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 chris123  hove actually 12 Jan 20 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which have nothing to do with any kind of legal framework involving federalism. It was the start.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.42pm |
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Picking one statistic out of many is misleading at best and possibly disingenuous. Of course any improvement in one set of export statistics is very welcome but it doesn't, unfortunately,mean that the UK economy is healthy. The balance of trade figures are a much better indication. Those who claim to see a rosy future just over the hill as a consequence of a single export statistic are being wildly optimistic. Much more time and solid evidence is needed. As it flies in the face of every other report and forecast I have heard about I am reserving judgement whilst anticipating a downturn as most seem to expect. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best but expect nothing, will serve us well at this time.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
It was the start. Never for us and only for others if they want it. EU states cannot be compelled to do anything they don't want.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Jan 20 8.49pm |
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'You probably wouldn't recognise me at a party from my persona here. I tend to tell jokes rather than hold serious conversations.' WE is being far too harsh on himself. Rather I take the view that pretty much all he's said on this site so far has in fact been jokes. Just not very funny ones. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2020 8.50pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 12 Jan 20 8.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Never for us and only for others if they want it. EU states cannot be compelled to do anything they don't want. The start of European integration.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That’s just guesswork though. Just as likely they were leavers who didn’t think there was any chance of winning. Of course it's guesswork, although I prefer to think of it as an objective analysis. You are right though. There may well have been leavers who thought they would "lose" but as I suggested those in favour of change always are more motivated than those who are not, or don't care either way. We cannot know for sure but with such a close result the doubt is there that if we had a compulsory voting system it could have been different. Which is actually the point I was making.
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Teddy Eagle  12 Jan 20 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it's guesswork, although I prefer to think of it as an objective analysis. You are right though. There may well have been leavers who thought they would "lose" but as I suggested those in favour of change always are more motivated than those who are not, or don't care either way. We cannot know for sure but with such a close result the doubt is there that if we had a compulsory voting system it could have been different. Which is actually the point I was making. Yes conceivably but then you’d have complaints about the voters who affected the result without understanding or caring anything about it. Much like now in fact.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
The start of European integration. To repeat. ONLY for those who want to be integrated. The movement towards a two speed Europe has been evident for at least 30 years. We are bailing out just at the wrong time. Hopefully once it becomes more apparent exactly what is involved we will rejoin the outer group.
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| chris123 hove actually 12 Jan 20 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
To repeat. ONLY for those who want to be integrated. The movement towards a two speed Europe has been evident for at least 30 years. We are bailing out just at the wrong time. Hopefully once it becomes more apparent exactly what is involved we will rejoin the outer group. It's been happening since 1992.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Jan 20 9.49pm |
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We have left just in time. A two speed EU (not Europe) is only allowable within treaties that enable it. The EU is fast moving towards a superstate and I suspect it will look to ban fragmentation......I highly suspect we won't be the only state to leave.
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jeeagles  12 Jan 20 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
To repeat. ONLY for those who want to be integrated. The movement towards a two speed Europe has been evident for at least 30 years. We are bailing out just at the wrong time. Hopefully once it becomes more apparent exactly what is involved we will rejoin the outer group. I was thinking about immigration in a different way the other day. Freedom of movement is an idea I like ad I don't like the way governments can tell people where they can and can't live. There are practical issues with implimenting this idea, in terms of the availability of jobs, infrastructure, and services which have been discussed at length. More recently I thought about the radical post war slum clearance programmes. Governments game in, displaced people, bulldozed communities, and built new utopian estates which ended up unsafe both in terms of crime and construction, many of these have already been pulled down and the idea was condemned. Political social engineering took place without the consent of the people. Having rapid change unsettles the system. If you go to some places outside of London you see streets of Eastern European shops and people who've lived in them all their lives unable to speak to their neighbours. The EU messed up here, because they put ideology before pragmatism. No one in the EU is taking responsibility for this.
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Jan 20 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not a subject at any party I attend. There is a time and place for everything. You probably wouldn't recognise me at a party from my persona here. I tend to tell jokes rather than hold serious conversations. Well you do write some corkers on here so I can believe that.
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