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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 5.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo. Now you can campaign for us to Rejoin but nothing will ever be the same again. And any future membership of the EU will be different to what we had before. Might sound like semantics but the reality is that your side lost. And not only lost but handed Johnson a monster majority. Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over. Bore us all senseless with the case for rejoining and that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take. You never know, you might even make some converts, especially if everything goes as tits up as you believe it will. Hell, I might even change my mind. But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now. "Reversing" Brexit obviously means rejoining and when we do you are actually right, the terms won't be the same. I don't suppose the EU would object if we had a sudden change of heart and requested we forget the whole thing, but I don't think that the Tories could lose that much face even if they know it makes sense. I am not now arguing as a "remainer". Nor, so far as I can tell, is anyone else. People are going through a period of reflection and regrouping so as to be ready for the next phases. The first of which is to hold Johnson's feet to the flames and make sure that we actually get the tariff free deal with the EU he promised. As having that, and new trade deals with others, is incompatible, something has to give. One or the other is a lie. We will see which and then which side of the argument gets upset. The next phase is to prepare an effective opposition which argues not just for a reversal of Brexit but an overhaul of our outdated electoral system which leaves so many unrepresented and enables a government to assume office which is backed only by a minority of voters. The opposition parties need to coalesce around a core belief to be effective. I see ways forward to achieve that and fortunately with the Tories now having such a clear majority the time exists to get it properly structured before the next election. It could get very interesting in just over 4 years from now.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Fine then let the EU make us an offer we can't refuse you never know if it's good enough I might even change my mind. The ball is firmly in their court now if they don't want us to leave they have to do something about it. I won't hold my breath though. Too late for that I fear. The Tories would not accept the political cost of accepting and the EU could not afford the stimulus it would offer to anti EU factions in other countries. We need to negotiate a close trading arrangement and then see what happens. My guess is that if we end up being bound by the rules, but without a seat at the table which negotiates them, that people will start to question whether coming out actually achieved anything.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Not really as we are leaving the assets to the eu..buildings etc..Or are you saying we should have a cut of the EU assets? You think we'll be alone? but the world doesn't just consist of the EU. Try looking beyond the 3rd Reich who have been pilfering of us for god knows how many years The hard assets in this case are a drop in the ocean and irrelevant. We will be alone, searching for friends. It's a highly competitive world out there. Many of the labour markets are much cheaper than ours, with lower protections. They are all trying to sell us things and manufacturers are all looking for cheap places to make things and pay less tax. There is a big danger that we will get involved in a race to the bottom and who is going to suffer most from that? It will be the average working man and woman! Not the hedge fund managers or newspaper proprietors.
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Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 6.12pm | |
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It's quite amusing that this guy talks about 'healing' when every single one of his proposals are just more of the same or just completely unrealistic. What it sounds like to me is that the ones who need the 'healing' are the losers who can't except that they have just been ripped a new one. What makes you laugh is that he still appears to only recognise the fiscal aspect. He can't get it into his head that the reasons people voted Brexit aren't fiscal and that they matter quite a lot to people. He wants them to shut up and enjoy their s***e sandwich while he lives his good life without any of the s***e they don't want. Well, lots of people have had to suck it up for decades....and he's going to have to suck this up....because I've give him the head's up. Nothing he does on this will make the slightest bit of difference.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
You should be on Sunderland forum or an area that wanted to leave! London wanted to stay hence Labour and lib done well! South London doesn't need you to change our minds as it'll make no difference. Wolves, boro, Newcastle would be better forums as they are leave areas. Superficially that makes sense but as the way we decided Brexit was via a national referendum every vote everywhere counted the same. If we allow MPs to take the decisions then that's a good suggestion. If it happens I will remember it!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
She obviously still needs your custom! Pro leave posters on here have been branded stupid and racist, don’t deny it Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Jan 20 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that. you just cant stop can you??? Oh you massively superior being!!!
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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jan 20 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that. Wow I wasn't aware that data on intelligence and personal bias was available from the referendum, was this part of the voting process? You can't come on here as the voice of reason and make generalised comments like that and then expect people to respect your opinion. We never know why people vote a certain way all we can do is speculate.
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Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 7.03pm | |
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I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook.
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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jan 20 7.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook. I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Jan 20 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook. Those racists have been quite busy recently not only voting for Brexit but also hounding poor Ms Markle out of the country and mixing up Diane Abbot’s shoes.
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Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 7.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said. I didn't understand it and I wrote it....must be because I voted for Brexit.
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