Yes, the Commission keeps the politicians at arms length, the politicians that the people have elected. Yes, the Commission is completely independent, it does whatever it wants despite the policies of the elected representatives. All that you have said just illustrates the fact that the EU is not democratic in any real sense.

I don’t particularly want referendums on any issue. If the government holds one, as they did in 2016, then they should honour the result.

Certainly I think the death penalty should be available as a sentence, not in all case, up to the judge. I would not want to refuse genuine asylum seekers, whose numbers would be so much smaller than the number of bogus ones. What do you mean by ‘recognition of transgenders’, I think I would recognise a man with a beard in a dress as some sort of degenerate.

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What it comes down is not, has never been and cannot be “who your leaders are and how much choice the majority get over them.”

That’s the pathetic reasoning of the arch Brexiteers who freely admitted they were prepared to accept a steep decline in our prosperity from which we wouldn’t recover for 30:years in return for “getting back control”! What an empty deal. Putting their pride above the future of our children.

What it comes down is what delivers the best outcomes. Nothing more or less. Ensuring we retain the ultimate power to both delegate responsibility and withdraw it is an essential outcome but after that comes what makes us safe, strong, healthy and prosperous.

Being in control of a sinking ship is not a good outcome.

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Benn was, like Corbyn, as the Marxists they both were, fundamentally opposed to the EU. So it’s hardly any surprise that he didn’t find the way the Council of Ministers worked to his taste. Farage was a MEP and spent most of his time in the Chamber moaning about it too.

That you agree with Benn and Corbyn ought perhaps give you pause for thought.

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I am old enough to have witnessed Powell in office and to have heard him. He was a complicated man. Obviously sincere, intelligent and an orator. He would have made a good, possibly even great, war time leader. What he lacked was any sense of compassion for the common man, for the poor and disadvantaged. He was an early example of the type of attitude found today in the likes of Farage and Rees-Mogg. People who value independence far more than prosperity. Presumably because their own prosperity would remain intact and quite possibly be enhanced.

So not a Marxist but equally distasteful.

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Enoch Powell was the last politician this country produced who cared more for the native people of these islands than his own career.

He was raised in a time where the elite were still somewhat connected to their people and worth a damn.....It should not be forgotten that when Powell was growing up the vast majority of the wealth class still had loyalty to their country.....not egalitarian and globalist fantasy concepts.

They were still part of the fabric that once made this union of countries great amongst the nations.

Powell was a stellar academic in the classics, one of the highest achieving of his era and any....which is something in comparison to today considering how far academic standards have fallen.

Not many people know but Powell had written love letters to fellow academics as a young man. We don't know if this ever went beyond that. However, as an adult he settled down as a stable family man who had children - two daughters. He was never an advocate for what we see today.

In war service he passed out top from his officer training was promoted and transferred to the intelligence corps as a captain. He was involved in planning at El Alamein and was awarded the MBE and was made a lieutenant-colonel before Mountbatten made him Secretary to the Joint Intelligence Committee for India to assist with planning offensives in Burma. By the end of the war he was a brigadier......he was one of only two men in the entire war to rise from private to brigadier

Powell never experienced combat and felt guilty for having survived.

I'll cut this short because he's life was so full this could be a very long post. Anyway most people don't know that he started out in the Labour party and was quickly recognised as a leading light but for various reasons moved to the Conservatives.

Quickly promoted, ironically he ended up being the health minister who went to the Caribbean to recruit doctors and nurses. His opinion changed radically once he realised that they weren't going back and that the will to make them wasn't there.

Unlike the traitorous Tories in his party he was willing to throw away his stellar career and high reputation to speak the truth about what the elites were doing to their own people.

Pretty much all his predictions came true....not surprisingly as he was just brighter than those in charge.

He is a hero.....that rare elite bird who was worth a damn.

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