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 Matov  18 Sep 23 6.59am |
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Whilst I sort of get the logic behind the tax on holiday homes (need to disclose that I have an interest in property abroad which would fall into this context) I think people need to be a little bit careful. The reality in many countries, especially France, is that HUGE swathes of its countryside have been effectively abandoned for decades. Saw a recent graphic which illustrated just how empty an entire sweep of central France is. Take out the second home owners from that and it might as well just be left to be rewilded. Could some kind of zoning system work? I.e localised taxes on second homes? Definitely. But a blanket approach, whilst popular, might have unintended negative consequences.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 23 7.45am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The Welsh have identified the problem and are , hopefully, sorting it. Holiday homes are killing communities where empty properties do not support local shops or communities. Not true Sir Keir does have a solution, you just throw open the borders problem solved.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 23 7.48am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Whilst I sort of get the logic behind the tax on holiday homes (need to disclose that I have an interest in property abroad which would fall into this context) I think people need to be a little bit careful. The reality in many countries, especially France, is that HUGE swathes of its countryside have been effectively abandoned for decades. Saw a recent graphic which illustrated just how empty an entire sweep of central France is. Take out the second home owners from that and it might as well just be left to be rewilded. Could some kind of zoning system work? I.e localised taxes on second homes? Definitely. But a blanket approach, whilst popular, might have unintended negative consequences.
A friend bought a derelict house in a small Italian village and using local workmen renovated it and now lives there. In her case she has been welcomed by the locals. I think most of us would say as long as the locals are happy why not. However Italy is not the UK I would go further than just taxing holiday homes I would ban foreign ownership unless the person lived in the UK. There are great swathes of London owned by dubious foreign corporations and often unoccupied.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 18 Sep 23 8.33am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A friend bought a derelict house in a small Italian village and using local workmen renovated it and now lives there. In her case she has been welcomed by the locals. I think most of us would say as long as the locals are happy why not. However Italy is not the UK I would go further than just taxing holiday homes I would ban foreign ownership unless the person lived in the UK. There are great swathes of London owned by dubious foreign corporations and often unoccupied. I would ban foreign ownership unless there is a reciprocal with the country the buyer is a national of. That would be a start but would not do anything where foreign buyers simply start a shell company to buy the property.
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cryrst  The garden of England 18 Sep 23 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A friend bought a derelict house in a small Italian village and using local workmen renovated it and now lives there. In her case she has been welcomed by the locals. I think most of us would say as long as the locals are happy why not. However Italy is not the UK I would go further than just taxing holiday homes I would ban foreign ownership unless the person lived in the UK. There are great swathes of London owned by dubious foreign corporations and often unoccupied. The swathes in London would still be for sale. They are multi million pound houses and apartments. I would prefer our money wasn’t spent buying them to rent out for £400 a month.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Sep 23 12.11pm |
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The brexit trade and cooperation agreement is up for review in 2025 and Labour, if in power are going to seek a substantial re-set with the EU. But what will they have to offer the EU, on a returns deal as well. At least, attention to detail, working our way through, replacing incompetence and bluster with reality and mutual interest, can alleviate some of the damage. Johnson did not know what a customs union was according to Rory Stewart and Barry Gardner, and viewed the negotiation as just something to be done regardless, the NI arrangements to be binned later on anyway.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 23 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The brexit trade and cooperation agreement is up for review in 2025 and Labour, if in power are going to seek a substantial re-set with the EU. But what will they have to offer the EU, on a returns deal as well. At least, attention to detail, working our way through, replacing incompetence and bluster with reality and mutual interest, can alleviate some of the damage. Johnson did not know what a customs union was according to Rory Stewart and Barry Gardner, and viewed the negotiation as just something to be done regardless, the NI arrangements to be binned later on anyway.
Those re-negotiations EU: You rejoin the EU and pay us lots of money and do as we tell you. Sir Keir: Okay I agree except can we not tell the public we have re-joined. It worked the last time we told them the EEC was just a trade bloc. EU: Excellent idea. Edited by Badger11 (18 Sep 2023 12.21pm)
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Sep 23 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Those re-negotiations EU: You rejoin the EU and pay us lots of money and do as we tell you. Sir Keir: Okay I agree except can we not tell the public we have re-joined. It worked the last time we told them the EEC was just a trade bloc. EU: Excellent idea. Edited by Badger11 (18 Sep 2023 12.21pm) No chance. Would lose half the electorate immediately and lose power at the next election.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 23 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
No chance. Would lose half the electorate immediately and lose power at the next election. I agree that is why I am playfully suggesting a stitch up behind the voters back.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Sep 23 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Not true Sir Keir does have a solution, you just throw open the borders problem solved. Starmer has to up amongst the top liars we have had in British politics. Lied to the left to get the leadership, lies to the right to get the PM job. Pure Blairism.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Sep 23 2.31pm |
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France and Germany are pushing plans to offer Britain and other European countries “associate membership” of the EU in a move that could rebuild the UK's ties with the bloc. A way to restore the customs union for example, or even single market access, without being legally tied to the EU as a full member (no referendum). If true we should be looking seriously at this. Sir Keir be bold, for once.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 23 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
France and Germany are pushing plans to offer Britain and other European countries “associate membership” of the EU in a move that could rebuild the UK's ties with the bloc. A way to restore the customs union for example, or even single market access, without being legally tied to the EU as a full member (no referendum). If true we should be looking seriously at this. Sir Keir be bold, for once. Running out of money from the rest of the EU are they?
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