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cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Apr 20 5.51pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc_chap


An old family friend past away the other week late 70 and put pneumonia as cause of death...figures are fudged!

That would be worldwide I guess. This bug is a serious killer.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Apr 20 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

They may be a minority but they are overprivileged, overpaid, certainly underworked and we don't need 650 of them!!! I agree, cut waste ... every penny counts.

I'd agree that democratic reform of our representatives is a valid argument.

It is a huge question however and a serious examination of it would take ages. But there's one aspect that I'm quite sure about....We don't require a huge building of sitting MPs in the modern age.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Apr 20 6.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

They should be put on 80% of wages or a maximum of £2500

Agreed.

 


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SavoyTruffle Flag 14 Apr 20 6.40pm Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We now have an extra 1,000,000 medical face masks thanks to a donation from Taiwan.

However, due to the arsehole government of China the UK doesn’t even officially recognise Taiwan as a country.

Our government have the power to change our ‘One China’ policy at any time, we aren’t beholden to them... we shouldn’t be anyway...

Unfortunately in recent years we have seen more and more parts of the U.K. state outsourced or financed by China. With 5G contacts, financing and building of Hinkley Point Nuclear reactor, HS2 Contracts and UK blood plasma services all gone that way in the last 5 years alone. I don’t think the government will be having any tough conversations with the Chinese state anytime soon.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Apr 20 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Our government have the power to change our ‘One China’ policy at any time, we aren’t beholden to them... we shouldn’t be anyway...

Unfortunately in recent years we have seen more and more parts of the U.K. state outsourced or financed by China. With 5G contacts, financing and building of Hinkley Point Nuclear reactor, HS2 Contracts and UK blood plasma services all gone that way in the last 5 years alone. I don’t think the government will be having any tough conversations with the Chinese state anytime soon.

I guess we will see but this internationalist approach when it comes to important national infrastructure has always been of significant concern.

It's the usual financially led short termism.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 20 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Our government have the power to change our ‘One China’ policy at any time, we aren’t beholden to them... we shouldn’t be anyway...

Unfortunately in recent years we have seen more and more parts of the U.K. state outsourced or financed by China. With 5G contacts, financing and building of Hinkley Point Nuclear reactor, HS2 Contracts and UK blood plasma services all gone that way in the last 5 years alone. I don’t think the government will be having any tough conversations with the Chinese state anytime soon.

Furthermore the sale of British Steel to Chinese company Jingye.

 

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jeeagles Flag 14 Apr 20 8.56pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

ONS suggests COVID 19 deaths could be 15% higher than reported due to it not mentioned on the death certificate.

I expect these are elderly deaths and probably a lot with conditions that killed them and a lot of people will view those deaths in the way they will when considering the bigger picture but that’s the figure given by the ONS. How accurate it is I don’t know but there’s definitely deaths from Covid recorded under something else.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Apr 2020 1.08pm)

Figures and statistics can always be presented and interpreted in different ways.

Comparing the month on month deaths with previous years could potentially be a better measure. Probably fairer still to pick a year where there has been a particularly bad influenza.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 14 Apr 20 9.02pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

I hope this isn't true.
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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 20 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I hope this isn't true.
[Link]

Why?

Trump's politicising of this crisis is nothing short of disgraceful. We really mustn't go down that route.

Right now politics and trying to determine where and how the virus emerged and learning the lessons that must be learned is totally secondary.

The overwhelming priority is for international cooperation to find anti virals that are effective and ultimately a reliable vaccine.

Everything else must wait. Including China bashing.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Apr 20 9.47pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

I enjoyed this as a bit of light relief

Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of s***. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God... what... have... I... created?
If being a t*** was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

Orange man bad etc

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Apr 20 9.50pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Anyone seen the most recent papers on how long this might persist? I think it’s pessimistic but 2022 now mooted as realistic regarding how long Social distancing may need to be in place for - not complete lockdown but an on / off approach.

This chart was also interesting. Sums it up nicely

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blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 14 Apr 20 10.21pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why?

Trump's politicising of this crisis is nothing short of disgraceful. We really mustn't go down that route.

Right now politics and trying to determine where and how the virus emerged and learning the lessons that must be learned is totally secondary.

The overwhelming priority is for international cooperation to find anti virals that are effective and ultimately a reliable vaccine.

Everything else must wait. Including China bashing.

I understand where you are coming from and somewhat agree that political row around virus is not a priority.

However, if (and most probably) China hid the spread of the virus / alerting about its potential - danger, are they part of `We` that i bolded in your proposal? Because only if they are part of `We`, your statement that i highlighted in italic will be fully valid.

I just have a feeling that it is early to have any deal on not politicizing this as well because it should be far away from being priority for the government.

Edited by blackheatheagle (14 Apr 2020 10.23pm)

 

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