Just in case anyone had any doubt about Tony Blair

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Sorry i don't have the full article but I think the first paragraph is enough, conflict of interest etc.

One more point

It won't surprise too many here to know I spend some time on pro-EU sites which are obviously now focussing on how to organise for the coming years.

Without knowing exactly what kind of Brexit will be our actual destination, or when that might become a reality, precise planning is impossible. What is expected though is that the pendulum will swing the other way once the realities of leaving the EU start to bite and the jam promised for tomorrow just turns out to be thinly spread lard, and that we need to be ready for that, whenever it happens.

Someone postulated the idea today that Brexit will collapse as soon as Trump is out of office. I am not so sure about that as in my view the USA will become a more appealing and trustworthy partner after his removal.

What is certain is that there is currently a huge vacuum in English politics. Those whose natural instincts are for the centre ground, whether slightly to the left or right, now have no natural home. The Tories are over the horizon on the right and Labour over the opposite one on the left. Neither appear to be likely to move back to the centre anytime soon. Indeed Labour appear to be intent on self destruction.

The LibDems ought to be the party that mops up but they carry a degree of baggage and lack leadership, or inspirational role models.

As many, if not most, of these people will also be "Remainers", there is beginning to be a realisation that a new start needs to be made with an entirely new party coming into being. Just as Farage has changed politics on the right so something new needs to counter balance that. Not on the left, but in the centre. A centre which I believe has huge, and quite possibly majority, support in the country at large.

In time such a party could embrace the LibDems, the Greens, the remaining centre left of the Labour Party and the centre right of the Tories.

Of course things like this have been tried before, most recently in the last Parliament, and always failed. Now though the motivation to make it succeed is overwhelming. If we want to reverse Brexit and stop the ultimate break-up of the UK then it is an imperative.

Just today I became aware of a relatively new pan-EU political party called "Volt". It's very early days but perhaps this, or something like it, will become the vehicle for the changes we so badly need. You can read about it here:-https://www.volteuropa.org/

One of it's aims is to reform the EU, which most of us believe is necessary. However, they also talk
of establishing a "federal Europe" which I cannot see being so popular unless it is better explained and the benefits understood and appreciated.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

'The Tories are over the horizon on the right'.

My first belly laugh of the new decade.

The Tories aren't even right wing.....Until Johnson does anything on social policy they are still May's feminist party.

Put me in charge.....I'll show you right frigging wing mate.

May, the home secretary who reformed stop and search....because....feelings.....expanded 'hate speech' laws....which are an attack on free speech...homosexuality promoted in primary schools.....started feminist think tanks...minister for women. Cameron with 'gay marriage' when civil partnerships were previously touted as sufficient.

God, you can smell the estrogen. The Tories aren't right wing in any self respecting definition of the word.

They are neo and social liberal feminists....until they prove otherwise.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Many 'right wingers' on here categorically said Corbyn's ideas had mileage but too much too soon.
What bit of that doesnt hit home with you and your theories.
No right winger would have any time for labour but some of their politicians are and can be appealing.
Geez wissie you are just on another wind up.

I guess those sitting on the fence can see in both directions. Is the pain in the backside worth it however?

Red and Blue Army!

I guess there could be several answers. Maybe that exceptions prove the rule, as always. Or that both extremes have always shared a few similarities. Or, most likely, that this place just contains some really odd characters.

None of which have any real bearing on the original point.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.