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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 10.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's kind of ironic that a man who previously had spent his entire parliamentary career in amongst the most anti EU MPs would then end up destroying his career by supporting remaining in it. Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election. If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's kind of ironic that a man who previously had spent his entire parliamentary career in amongst the most anti EU MPs would then end up destroying his career by supporting remaining in it.

Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election.
If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians.

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 10.15am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election. If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians. Ultimately. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 19 10.15am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election.
If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians.

Ultimately.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Dec 19 10.20am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election. If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians. Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ?
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South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Dec 19 10.20am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Corbyn could have achieved a lifetime ambition by helping Brexit through while improving his chances in the election.
If anything, it proves that his convictions are just as flexible as most politicians.

Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ?

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Matov 14 Dec 19 2.19pm
Originally posted by Willo Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ? I suspect so. If what I am hearing/reading is correct then more details will emerge about the talks that Mays staff held with Labour in the wake of her deal being soundly rejected by Parliament. And that effectively Barwell was willing to give in on most of the major issues that Labour claimed that needed to back it ie effective customs union and single market membership. Now Labour, and primarily Starmer, were simply not willing to do any deal despite what they said but lets assume they did and Mays deal, altered accordingly, passed it would have torn the Tories in two. And an election would have followed by way of a lost vote of confidence. Labour would have walked it. Now, of course, a lot of this is speculation but I suspect that the Tories dodged a real bullet on this due to Starmers idiocy. Yes, a lot to celebrate for your guys and well done on that because it was disciplined performance but I suspect that disaster was not as far away as people might think. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Dec 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by Willo

Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ?

I suspect so. If what I am hearing/reading is correct then more details will emerge about the talks that Mays staff held with Labour in the wake of her deal being soundly rejected by Parliament.

And that effectively Barwell was willing to give in on most of the major issues that Labour claimed that needed to back it ie effective customs union and single market membership.

Now Labour, and primarily Starmer, were simply not willing to do any deal despite what they said but lets assume they did and Mays deal, altered accordingly, passed it would have torn the Tories in two.

And an election would have followed by way of a lost vote of confidence.

Labour would have walked it.

Now, of course, a lot of this is speculation but I suspect that the Tories dodged a real bullet on this due to Starmers idiocy. Yes, a lot to celebrate for your guys and well done on that because it was disciplined performance but I suspect that disaster was not as far away as people might think.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Invalid user 2019 14 Dec 19 7.19pm
Due to this stonking majority, with the next election five years away, it will likely for once be a more unambiguous affair. Either Brexit will be a roaring or say middling success, in which case more people will inevitably adopt the 'leave' mindset, or it will fail to the extent that question the path we're on. So whatever opposite is in place, from solid or shabby will likely be somewhat down the list. A majority this large is a luxury that comes with no excuses.
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14 Dec 19 7.19pm

Due to this stonking majority, with the next election five years away, it will likely for once be a more unambiguous affair. Either Brexit will be a roaring or say middling success, in which case more people will inevitably adopt the 'leave' mindset, or it will fail to the extent that question the path we're on. So whatever opposite is in place, from solid or shabby will likely be somewhat down the list. A majority this large is a luxury that comes with no excuses.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 8.31pm
Originally posted by Willo Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ? It couldn't have been too far away with Parliament as it was.
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14 Dec 19 8.31pm

Originally posted by Willo

Would there have been an election if by some chance Labour supported a Tory Brexit deal and we left the EU as planned ?

It couldn't have been too far away with Parliament as it was.

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Maine Eagle USA 14 Dec 19 9.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Mainey's alright.....his politics are upside down but he can have a laugh....which is a saving grace for anyone. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 5.21pm) Yeh boi and the feeling is mutual. If you don’t laugh you cry. Specifically if you don’t laugh about a serial liar being made prime minister then getting a record majority because Labour put up a left wing nut job about as popular as Hrolf at the guardian newspaper Christmas party, you cry. party, then you cry. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 14 Dec 19 9.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mainey's alright.....his politics are upside down but he can have a laugh....which is a saving grace for anyone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 5.21pm)

Yeh boi and the feeling is mutual.

If you don’t laugh you cry.

Specifically if you don’t laugh about a serial liar being made prime minister then getting a record majority because Labour put up a left wing nut job about as popular as Hrolf at the guardian newspaper Christmas party, you cry.

party, then you cry.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 10.59pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Yeh boi and the feeling is mutual. If you don’t laugh you cry. Specifically if you don’t laugh about a serial liar being made prime minister then getting a record majority because Labour put up a left wing nut job about as popular as Hrolf at the guardian newspaper Christmas party, you cry. party, then you cry. Party like it's 1999. [Link] You're stuck on morality for your political leaders....I get it, I just have different priorities. That said, I consider Corbyn to be far far more morally bankrupt than Johnson could ever be.......IRA and terrorism connections besides being a national security risk. As for lying....I don't know a successful politician who didn't lie. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Yeh boi and the feeling is mutual.

If you don’t laugh you cry.

party, then you cry.

Party like it's 1999.

[Link]

You're stuck on morality for your political leaders....I get it, I just have different priorities.

That said, I consider Corbyn to be far far more morally bankrupt than Johnson could ever be.......IRA and terrorism connections besides being a national security risk.

As for lying....I don't know a successful politician who didn't lie.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Maine Eagle USA 16 Dec 19 1.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Party like it's 1999. [Link] You're stuck on morality for your political leaders....I get it, I just have different priorities. That said, I consider Corbyn to be far far more morally bankrupt than Johnson could ever be.......IRA and terrorism connections besides being a national security risk. As for lying....I don't know a successful politician who didn't lie. Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much. Corbyn was an utter disaster, a disaster of such epic proportions, that you have to wonder if the Corbyn crew were actually scheming for an epic loss so they could somehow rebuild with the next Tony Blair. Labour are f***ed unless they can find an identity. Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader. And around and around we will go on the merry go round. I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end. It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Party like it's 1999.

[Link]

You're stuck on morality for your political leaders....I get it, I just have different priorities.

That said, I consider Corbyn to be far far more morally bankrupt than Johnson could ever be.......IRA and terrorism connections besides being a national security risk.

As for lying....I don't know a successful politician who didn't lie.

Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much.

Corbyn was an utter disaster, a disaster of such epic proportions, that you have to wonder if the Corbyn crew were actually scheming for an epic loss so they could somehow rebuild with the next Tony Blair.

Labour are f***ed unless they can find an identity.

Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader.

And around and around we will go on the merry go round.

I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end.

It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 19 1.15am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much. Corbyn was an utter disaster, a disaster of such epic proportions, that you have to wonder if the Corbyn crew were actually scheming for an epic loss so they could somehow rebuild with the next Tony Blair. Labour are f***ed unless they can find an identity. Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader. And around and around we will go on the merry go round. I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end. It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t. Check the date of those grapes you're eating Mainey. I think they might have just gone a bit sour old chap. You're never going to see the value of Brexit because you're left wing. The country you're in 'gets it' and would never willingly give away its sovereignty to a superstate.....indeed they fought us to free themselves from one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Dec 19 1.15am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much.

Labour are f***ed unless they can find an identity.

Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader.

And around and around we will go on the merry go round.

I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end.

It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t.

Check the date of those grapes you're eating Mainey.

I think they might have just gone a bit sour old chap.

You're never going to see the value of Brexit because you're left wing. The country you're in 'gets it' and would never willingly give away its sovereignty to a superstate.....indeed they fought us to free themselves from one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Dec 19 9.33am
Labour is still mulling over it's Brexit position Corbyn will no doubt argue his was a nuanced stance. I think if Labour had taken Corbyn's position immediately after the referendum the public might have agreed with him. Get a deal and go back to the public. However they dilly dallied and didn't come up with it until this year by which time the public just saw it as yet another delay. Sometimes in politics it's not always about being right its about being right at the right time. One more point
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Beckenham 16 Dec 19 9.33am

Labour is still mulling over it's Brexit position Corbyn will no doubt argue his was a nuanced stance.

I think if Labour had taken Corbyn's position immediately after the referendum the public might have agreed with him. Get a deal and go back to the public. However they dilly dallied and didn't come up with it until this year by which time the public just saw it as yet another delay.

Sometimes in politics it's not always about being right its about being right at the right time.

One more point

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Dec 19 9.42am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much. Corbyn was an utter disaster, a disaster of such epic proportions, that you have to wonder if the Corbyn crew were actually scheming for an epic loss so they could somehow rebuild with the next Tony Blair. Labour are fed unless they can find an identity.* Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader. And around and around we will go on the merry go round. I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end. It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t. I have read some reports that some influential Labour figures have said that Corbynism must survive Corbyn ! At the end of the day the masses of their membership are 'Momentum', they voted Corbyn in as leader and it is the model of plausibility that they will lean towards another Corbynista as they choose his successor.Labour are in the grip of the hard-left. Edited by Willo (16 Dec 2019 9.43am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Dec 19 9.42am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Elijah Cummings didn’t lie much.

Labour are f***ed unless they can find an identity.

Next election won’t be about brexit though, it will be about the failures of Boris Johnson and Domy C, and that will sweep Labour to power unless they pick another fart in a space suit leader.

And around and around we will go on the merry go round.

I am looking forward to brexit being over and done with, and the cold hard realization it will bring into the minds of the brexiteers, that it didn’t improve their lives one little bit In the end.

It became the silver bullet to fix the woes of the proletariat, but mark my words, it won’t.

I have read some reports that some influential Labour figures have said that Corbynism must survive Corbyn !

At the end of the day the masses of their membership are 'Momentum', they voted Corbyn in as leader and it is the model of plausibility that they will lean towards another Corbynista as they choose his successor.Labour are in the grip of the hard-left.

Edited by Willo (16 Dec 2019 9.43am)

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