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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Jun 24 10.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Bonkers? Don’t make me laugh, my toe hurts enough without having to roll around the room!

You destroy your argument with your own reasoning. If, for the sake of argument your average 38% is correct what does that prove? That some will have more, some a lot, others less and some non at all, but on average 62% comes from elsewhere! The English do not have any kind of single genetic identity. It’s a spurious, nonsensical claim.

Nor has it any connection whatsoever to any desire you seek to impose on me about cultural societies. That debate might be connected in your mind but it is not in mine.

I am dealing with facts. Where they lead to and the consequential outcomes is another subject.

It seems to me you have predetermined the outcomes you seek and are now trying to manufacture the evidence to match it.

You seem to think that the so called Anglo Saxon invasion is justification for the millions of people who have arrived here in the past few years and are threatening to obliterate our entire heritage and culture.

Let's face it. You don't care, and I do. Many do.

Your kind are the enemy of the England that we want to preserve.
The England that endured its own dark times, but ultimately rejected religious dogma and all the other third world lunacy that is now invading our shores.

Your denial of our heritage is simply indicative of the kind of person you are. A man who moves to Cornwall and then preaches about how we should all just take it on the chin.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 24 11.39am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You seem to think that the so called Anglo Saxon invasion is justification for the millions of people who have arrived here in the past few years and are threatening to obliterate our entire heritage and culture.

Let's face it. You don't care, and I do. Many do.

Your kind are the enemy of the England that we want to preserve.
The England that endured its own dark times, but ultimately rejected religious dogma and all the other third world lunacy that is now invading our shores.

Your denial of our heritage is simply indicative of the kind of person you are. A man who moves to Cornwall and then preaches about how we should all just take it on the chin.

You seem to think this reply has a connection to the subject!

It doesn’t. It is another subject completely.

This is solely about how anyone decides their ethnicity and what criteria are used.

Not about immigration, invasion or religion.

I don’t deny our heritage at all. I treasure and celebrate it. I want everyone living here to do the same. Whenever I host visitors from overseas I spend a lot of time sharing it. The number of times I have walked around Stonehenge, Westminster or the Tower in my life are far too many for me to remember.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jun 24 12.23pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Is somebody trying to say some guy who arrives on a small boat, waves a Labour Advisory leaflet and converts to C of E isn't actually English? Shame on you. They covet the welfare state and the NHS as much as the next man/ person.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You seem to think this reply has a connection to the subject!

It doesn’t. It is another subject completely.

This is solely about how anyone decides their ethnicity and what criteria are used.

Not about immigration, invasion or religion.

I don’t deny our heritage at all. I treasure and celebrate it. I want everyone living here to do the same. Whenever I host visitors from overseas I spend a lot of time sharing it. The number of times I have walked around Stonehenge, Westminster or the Tower in my life are far too many for me to remember.

The connection is you.

You promote one idea to support the other.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Jun 24 6.25pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The English are an officially recognised ethnic group native to these isles. No one is claiming that they have 100 percent linage to be considered English. However, to have none at all makes it a bit risible to claim that ethnicity.

Genes can't be subjective as they are physical.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2024 7.50pm)

if i recall correctly, Anthony Gordon has an irish parent and a scottish parent. So his genes are to the West & North of England. If he found a Dutch Greatgrandparent he would have the full hat-trick.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Jun 24 6.41pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Is somebody trying to say some guy who arrives on a small boat, waves a Labour Advisory leaflet and converts to C of E isn't actually English? Shame on you. They covet the welfare state and the NHS as much as the next man/ person.

those boat fellas are fully English until they subsequently land at Wexford and they then become more irish than the irish. With at least as much voting & financial rights as natives.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 24 6.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Is somebody trying to say some guy who arrives on a small boat, waves a Labour Advisory leaflet and converts to C of E isn't actually English? Shame on you. They covet the welfare state and the NHS as much as the next man/ person.

Of course he isn’t and he would look extremely foolish to pretend too if he showed no understanding of our culture and language, let alone a British passport. Stating you are English doesn’t entitle you to anything.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 24 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The connection is you.

You promote one idea to support the other.

I am only talking about the issue of who is English.

I am not doing so to promote anything else. That idea resides only in your fevered imagination.

I am doing so to highlight the fact that it is determined by a belief in, and acceptance of, our culture and traditions and not by trying to identify genes. Which is both wholly impractical and completely inaccurate.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am only talking about the issue of who is English.

I am not doing so to promote anything else. That idea resides only in your fevered imagination.

I am doing so to highlight the fact that it is determined by a belief in, and acceptance of, our culture and traditions and not by trying to identify genes. Which is both wholly impractical and completely inaccurate.

So a Chinese can claim to be English?
Can an Englishman claim to be Chinese?

Can I claim to be a Black man? I mean why not. You only have to accept the culture right?

 

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Roger Daltrey - English

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Jun 24 9.16pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Roger Daltrey - English

any Englishman with a D at the start of his surname, is likely to be of Norman stock.

from google ..."Daltrey is one of the thousands of new names that the Norman Conquest brought to England in 1066. The Daltrey family lived in Sussex at Moor House, Petworth, not far from Battle Abbey. 1 Hawtrie is an adaptation of Hauterive, Normandy, the name of which literally means high river.

Richard Dawkins.....D'awkin....an african man.

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on a side note, the Norman Invasion had a huge Breton contingent. Could have been as much as 40% of the army of William the b******.

and them subsequently becoming english the same way the other Normans did. However, as Breton speakers they were first Cousins of the Welsh.

Back in the 1920s the Welsh Lloyd George had parlay with Clemenceau (i think it was him ).....who had Breton roots....and without English nor French, they could understand each other.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Jun 2024 9.25pm)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Jun 2024 9.27pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 24 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So a Chinese can claim to be English?
Can an Englishman claim to be Chinese?

Can I claim to be a Black man? I mean why not. You only have to accept the culture right?

An Englishman is an Englishman, whatever their genetic origins might have been. Anyone who identifies as Chinese isn’t English.

I believe that China has 56 ethnic groups. Which one are you talking about? No Englishman can be Chinese, as he has obviously already identified as English or he wouldn’t be an Englishman.

Identify is not defined by skin tone, so your last question is meaningless.

 


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