So again, whilst I don't entirely disagree, I think I am just less inclined to lay the blame at the feet of Joe Schmoe or overemphasise his lack of passion as a contributory factor.

There will of course be a percentage of the population who for a variety of reasons oppose the whole thing and equally there may be some inside or outside of this category who lack the intelligence or moral integrity to jump aboard. I think they are at a real premium however.

I often despair at the lack of real, scientific authority promulgating the issue. By that I mean in existing as a unified, recognised and respected voice on the matter who also provide the plan of action. This regretfully, typically, comes from sources most people inherently or historically distrust (govt./activists/celebs etc.). I despair just as much at those who tarnish the cause through what I consider to be narcissistic 'activism'.

My greatest concern is that a moment in time will be reached where at best there will be a 'we should have done 'x', at 'x' point in time. Despite this, I probably fall right bang into the category of Joe Schmoe in thinking 'well what can I (as a singular person) do?' as anything I might be inclined to do will only ever be of benefit en masse, which of course it is not. That's not to say I don't do the little things I can when I can but beyond that it's not a prominent aspect of my life.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I’m not sure if this was in response to my own postings Groover but this is essentially my point, whilst neither endorsing nor opposing the solutions you’ve suggested.

The narcissistic martyrdom the likes of JSO protesters are seeking, to nullify the misery of their own personal circumstances, is a fallacy existent only within their own minds.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I can't believe that these are serious questions/statements!

50 GW of coal power capacity started construction in China in 2022, a more than 50% increase from 2021. Many of these projects had their permits fast-tracked and moved to construction in a matter of months. A total of 106 GW of new coal power projects were permitted, the equivalent of two large coal power plants per week.

China's CO2 emissions per capita have risen 8 fold in the last 50 years.

The amazonian rain forest is 60% in Brazil with the rest scattered amongst 5 or 6 other countries. So all of them. In terms of who coughs up. Any of the major countries that still want to exist in a century from now. Breathing is quite important.

Population growth should be controlled by setting 2 child limit per couple. That would have a bigger effect in 3rd world countries where birth rates are staggeringly high.

We’re in a society where people are unwilling to give up their old, polluting vehicle without mass uproar, but you seem to think ‘setting a 2 child limit per couple’ is a simple, palatable solution.

As I said previously, there are difficult conversations to be head around overpopulation, but let’s not pretend that the state limiting how many children people are allowed is a desirable solution.

Please read the posts, I was replying to " talk of climate change will get you blank looks in China ", this is not true in my experience of living in China

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Sure, it’s hyperbolic, but it doesn’t change the current reality.

I think culturally China is ‘greener’ than most people realise, but that hasn’t followed in practice or policy yet.