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 Wilesy01  Bristol 05 Jan 22 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What mitigation? A man makes money, the same as thousands of others, using legal slave labour and because a few Black people and White guilt morons can't understand that people of the past cannot have their historical morality and laws judged by today's, we should forgive them their irrationality, thuggery and vandalism? Statues are a side issue. This is about who holds the power in this country. Do we uphold our institutions and democratic process, or allow a load of mentally immature fruitcakes to erase and rewrite our history so they feel better about themselves? I really enjoy how you're trying to justify slavery in a historical context. I look forward to your sympathetic take on the Nazis and the Holocaust as your next hot take.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jan 22 9.02pm |
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I'm off to pull down Nelson Mandela's statue he's a terrorist and a wife beater and an adulterer I am offended. So that's okay then.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jan 22 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
I really enjoy how you're trying to justify slavery in a historical context. I look forward to your sympathetic take on the Nazis and the Holocaust as your next hot take.
Typical far left tactic, off to Godwin's law we go. As African chiefs were selling the slaves to the British and everyone else and had been using slavery since their history was recorded, perhaps you should start over there.....they did genocide as well seeing as you want to bring up the Holocaust from the earlier part of last century...which had nothing to do with the British anyway. Hey, slavery is actually still going on over there in parts of Africa....but where do we find the oh so brave people who pretend to care about slavery? Yeah, in Bristol and waffling away mostly in middle class enclaves....clap clap, really making a difference comrades. Far left attacks on history are frequently anti white disfigured one eyed takes.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 22 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
I really enjoy how you're trying to justify slavery in a historical context. I look forward to your sympathetic take on the Nazis and the Holocaust as your next hot take. Wow. Getting Hitler in early. Nice. It is a ridiculous position to suggest that acknowledging the reality of slavery is to justify it. It is that kind of illogic that makes people like you lack credibility.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Jan 22 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wow. Getting Hitler in early. Nice. It is a ridiculous position to suggest that acknowledging the reality of slavery is to justify it. It is that kind of illogic that makes people like you lack credibility. Hope you had a nice break mate and good to see you.
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| Wilesy01 Bristol 05 Jan 22 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wow. Getting Hitler in early. Nice. It is a ridiculous position to suggest that acknowledging the reality of slavery is to justify it. It is that kind of illogic that makes people like you lack credibility. No, your ridiculous post trying to minimise slavery and those who take exception to the remnants of it in our society destroys your own credibility.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 22 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Hope you had a nice break mate and good to see you. Cheers mate. I think I enjoyed it a little more than I thought I would.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 22 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
No, your ridiculous post trying to minimise slavery and those who take exception to the remnants of it in our society destroys your own credibility. I feel like you are completely incapable of understanding that feeling all angry about slavery won't alter the facts. It happened, and now it doesn't. Rejoice. What is needed is to educate people about history and to make them understand the reason why some people have statues, rather than encouraging them to act like a bunch of spoilt children who feel all bad about stuff. The best way to avoid repeating mistakes is to be reminded of them, not to pretend that they didn't exist.
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| Wilesy01 Bristol 05 Jan 22 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I feel like you are completely incapable of understanding that feeling all angry about slavery won't alter the facts. It happened, and now it doesn't. Rejoice. What is needed is to educate people about history and to make them understand the reason why some people have statues, rather than encouraging them to act like a bunch of spoilt children who feel all bad about stuff. The best way to avoid repeating mistakes is to be reminded of them, not to pretend that they didn't exist. This post just highlights your lack of any real interest in this story. There were many efforts to give wording to this statue that acknowledged Colston's role in the slave trade, but all failed due to objections from small interest groups, notably the Merchant Venturers Society. Hence nothing ever got done. I'm now glad an artefact like this can be somewhere with the appropriate historical context it so desperately needed - a museum. So people can learn the facts, as you're keen for them to do.
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| Pembroke Bristol 05 Jan 22 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
I really enjoy how you're trying to justify slavery in a historical context. I look forward to your sympathetic take on the Nazis and the Holocaust as your next hot take. Colstons statue was in place as a tribute to his philanthropy. That is not justification, its historical context to Bristol.
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| Pembroke Bristol 05 Jan 22 11.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
There were many efforts to give wording to this statue that acknowledged Colston's role in the slave trade, but all failed due to objections from small interest groups, notably the Merchant Venturers Society. Hence nothing ever got done. I'm now glad an artefact like this can be somewhere with the appropriate historical context it so desperately needed - a museum. So people can learn the facts, as you're keen for them to do. There were not many efforts. There was a discussion and the merchants venturers did not object, they had not agreed what wording would be placed on the plinth. A fake narrative has been formed that there was a groundswell of popular opinion in opposition to the statues existence, there wasn't, when self interest groups approached the topic the response was widespread indifference from Bristolians. Edited by Pembroke (05 Jan 2022 11.24pm)
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| Beanyboysmd 05 Jan 22 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Colston was born into money. His money came from a wide variety of businesses. He was also an MP in Bristol. As soon as you use your money for slavery activities, I don't really think how much of it is a factor. There are plenty of people that kicked ass for this country that had no involvement in slavery, we should put up statues of them. Unfortunately, there was a small part of history where we as a nation considered slavery to be a perfectly normal thing to do and that means a lot of legacies are going to be tainted, but that really isn't the publics problem. We will always have this debate. I know a lot of people in their 50s and over that think Jimmy Savilles statue should still be up, some in that age range will still argue the good he did makes him worthy of it, I am definitely not one of those people, 20 years ago or 200 years ago makes no difference.
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