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 SwordFish  Peasmarsh,East Sussex 21 Jul 20 11.49pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Fair enough, the next 4 words after the ones you highlighted were key. That result took a mammoth effort from the team, but you also need a lot of luck to win games like that. Someone once told me that footballs appeal is helped by the fact that it’s one of the only sports where a team can totally outplayed the opposition and still lose. Hope you are enjoying your beers. I am enjoying them , at the end of the day that’s why I love this site, we are all fans and can all voice opinions and explain, jee, no hard feelings mate, grab a beer yourself and I’m sure I’ll see you at selhurst season
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 21 Jul 20 11.50pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Confidence is everything in professional sport. The confidence of a given player generally sits with the manager. Managers choose systems and can build players up if they can deploy them into a system which benefits them. To see the exact opposite of that circumstance, please see Benteke, Christian. How about we play one of the best aerial attackers in the league and never get the crosses in. Roy is a poor, poor man manager. He picks favorites instead of on form. His ability to integrate new players into the squad is very poor. I guess Sorloth wasn’t so s*** after all, but giving him 10 mins here and there and some cup games was never going to let him settle. Did Max Meyer turn s*** overnight? If confidence is down, broadly speaking it’s on Roy. Im pretty sure a man with over 40 years on management experience is not a poor man manager
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| Maine Eagle USA 21 Jul 20 11.56pm |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Im pretty sure a man with over 40 years on management experience is not a poor man manager Guess he just got unlucky with Sorloth then?
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jeeagles  22 Jul 20 12.00am |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Yes however OUR TEAM is struggling with confidence, fitness (because of age and games in quick succession) lack of funds, and also a sense of (we have done our job).get behind our club and support regardless because times will get worse , they always do with a club like ours it’s a roller coaster , either your on board , or you get off quickly , I’m on board and I enjoy it , up to the person really , if I was you jee I would enjoy it instead of argueing with people on here , unless you enjoy that ?? I’d gladly be proved wrong,I’d be pretty please if someone came up with a sound logical reason for his decision making, especially this season. I just find the support for Hodgson just pumped out the same old lines, and doesn’t put forward and objective salient argument. The person trying to support Hodgson in this case was also trying to say that Parish should be held responsible for the decline in the players form. I’m not really one for sentiment for sentiments sake. It’s been a long time since I enjoyed going to a game. I think after a few years, it also becomes more difficult for a manager to motivate the same group of players. Everyone becomes a bit stagnant and loses their edge. In his first season he tried out a number of new things, which was great, now he doesn’t seem to be doing the same. Still one game left, let’s hope the players work their socks off for Roy. On current form there’s a very real possibility that it could be his last ever game.
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 22 Jul 20 12.06am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Guess he just got unlucky with Sorloth then? Unlucky? I could score 10 goals in the Turkish league
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 Jul 20 12.16am |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Unlucky? I could score 10 goals in the Turkish league No you couldn’t. Or are you another ex palace trainee lurking on this website, denied a career in professional football by a career ending knee injury? By the way Sorloth has netted 29 times, a record for the club by a foreign player. Could you do that? Edited by Maine Eagle (22 Jul 2020 12.17am)
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| southnorwoodhill 22 Jul 20 7.00am |
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If Roy Hodgson has lost the players then all this talk is hot air. Next game should tell.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Jul 20 7.01am |
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Could look at this a different way. If, as the Roy protectorate on here suggest is true, that the players are rubbish and no-one else can do a better job with them than losing 7 on the spin, then surely we can be no worse off with a different manager? The same thought process applies to trying different players out when it doesn’t matter. You cannot do any worse than lose a match or two, or 7 or 8. What a new manager does bring is fresh ideas and outlook and lifts fringe players because they realise that there is an opportunity to get into the playing squad. The players we have need a lift and I would suggest that Roy’s race is run and he no longer has the capability of lifting this team. It is time to go whether or not he is a decent manager.
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 22 Jul 20 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Could look at this a different way. If, as the Roy protectorate on here suggest is true, that the players are rubbish and no-one else can do a better job with them than losing 7 on the spin, then surely we can be no worse off with a different manager? The same thought process applies to trying different players out when it doesn’t matter. You cannot do any worse than lose a match or two, or 7 or 8. What a new manager does bring is fresh ideas and outlook and lifts fringe players because they realise that there is an opportunity to get into the playing squad. The players we have need a lift and I would suggest that Roy’s race is run and he no longer has the capability of lifting this team. It is time to go whether or not he is a decent manager. Something is certainly wrong and the team is not playing to its strengths. Seven (probably an eighth upcoming) straight losses is a cause for concern. Admittedly, we did have a difficult run in to the end of season but heads have gone down and there's very little evidence of pride and passion in our performances. Wish the club could apply a bit of financial incentive (stopping wages) to resolve that.
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taylors lovechild  22 Jul 20 7.50am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Could look at this a different way. If, as the Roy protectorate on here suggest is true, that the players are rubbish and no-one else can do a better job with them than losing 7 on the spin, then surely we can be no worse off with a different manager? The same thought process applies to trying different players out when it doesn’t matter. You cannot do any worse than lose a match or two, or 7 or 8. What a new manager does bring is fresh ideas and outlook and lifts fringe players because they realise that there is an opportunity to get into the playing squad. The players we have need a lift and I would suggest that Roy’s race is run and he no longer has the capability of lifting this team. It is time to go whether or not he is a decent manager. The big question with this is who are these other players? Meyer is the only senior player not really getting any game time. Everyone else who isn't playing is injured, coming back from injury or a youth player. It is undeniable that aside from Chelsea and Man Utd we have been crap over the last 7 games, but the circumstances are not usual and although you would hope the players could maintain the desire to put 100% in when they really have nothing to play for and are clearly knackered I think it is just perhaps expecting too much. With no fans in the stands to play for either it must feel really flat. I'm not clinging to Roy's coat tails for him to stay, but to judge him on this strange mini league is to ignore what went on before it started when we had W10 D9 L10, which is as good a form as you could realistically expect from a club our size and with out resources. If this had been the first 8 games of a PL season I imagine he would probably be gone, but he has already done what was tasked of him I imagine which was to drag us to safety with no investment. We can argue all day about how bloody awful the football has been, but in terms of return on investment there just is no argument to my mind. Despite all the negativity that surrounds the club at the moment I am looking at it positively in the sense that the club is on a solid financial footing and we have had our most comfortable PL season yet in terms of safety. I think Roy will be here for another year and I think if we bring in some pace and youth to the squad we'll have another comfortable mid-table season, albeit perhaps having to "enjoy" some turgid football at times and no subs until the 80th minute.
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| EddieMac 22 Jul 20 8.47am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Very constructive. He only has next season left. A season in which we will be relegated if he remains at the healm. If we know he's not going to lead us in the future, what's the point in keeping him? Public acknowledgement of managers leaving at the season of a is rarely done. For good reason too. Once players know a manager is on their way out the managers influence on them diminishes. That's just human nature. Particularly when the managers plancs aren't working. Take Advocaat at Sunderland. Saved them, then decieded to sign a one year deal instead of retiring and they tanked. Allardyce at West Ham, his contract was running out and not to be renewed, had 9 wins in their first 19 games, and 3 wins in their second 19 games of that season. You say none of us could come up with a better alternative that what Roy is serving up every week, and that we are boring. Let's look at our form for the last 7 games, P7, L7, F2, A17. I fail to see how you find that interesting or entertaining? Prehaps you can enlighten me? We are calling for some kind of change. To do something different to what isn't working. It's getting repetitive because nothing is changing. Not the line up, the tactics, subs, set plays, and most importantly - the results. Can you really justify carrying on like this? What is Hodgson currently getting right? The big picture is that he'd had 3 seasons, and we are currently in our worst state since promotion. A bunch of ageing players, poor performances, and an uninspiring manager who fails to take responsibility. Believe me I find the football at the moment absolutely awful to watch and just as boring as you do and like everyone else on here I am angry most Saturday afternoons and I ask myself why do I put myself through this and I don’t always defend Roy as sometimes he boils my blood. But.. as I said yesterday when I calm down after a game I look at the squad and say to myself what other players can he play? We have played a lot of the season with long term injuries to Benteke, Schlupp, Townsend, Sakho, Kelly, and then we have other players have missed a lot of games. Tomkins has also missed a lot of games. We have 1 right back who has been a great servant to the club but is now out of his depth and should only be a squad player. 1 out and out striker who coupled with injuries and god knows what else can’t even kick a ball let alone score. Our lack of left sided players cripples us in a lot of games with McCarthur at times covering that role. These just are some of the issues, then we have an ageing squad and we must have the slowest combines squad in the history of football which is a massive reason why we play as we do. When you have Dann, Sakho and Ward, in your defence it would be criminal to leave them exposed. All of this then we have a lot of players who are just not good enough anymore. None of this is Roy’s fault. He has tried to get a right back since AWB left but the club failed, he has tried to get a striker but the club let him down. The club won’t spend the money for reasons unknown to us fans and this is where we are. The team basically picks itself every week and then when you look at the bench what are the options? Meyer or Riedewald. Riedewald is a centre back or defensive midfielder so why people scream for him to change a game I’ll never know. In my opinion from what Iv seen his best position is on the bench. Then we have Meyer who may just be at the wrong club but he hasn’t done anything to warrant a starting place he has had a lot of time to impress in training at least. ( I think there is more than meets the eye on the Meyer situation). We have the young players who again are not good enough because if they were they would play. People accuse Roy of only picking favourites but there is no way in hell that he would not play someone if they were better than someone else. From what I seen of our young lads they will have careers in league 1 or 2. Yes, our football is awful. Yes it is boring, but Roy doesn’t tell the players to not score to not hit a pass to a team mate to not take a decent corner. We play most games with 3 out and out attacking players, It is not as if we play 5-4-1 just hoofing long balls up to a big man, Roy has is flaws but our players have more flaws and the lack of signings is criminal.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Jul 20 9.03am |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
Believe me I find the football at the moment absolutely awful to watch and just as boring as you do and like everyone else on here I am angry most Saturday afternoons and I ask myself why do I put myself through this and I don’t always defend Roy as sometimes he boils my blood. But.. as I said yesterday when I calm down after a game I look at the squad and say to myself what other players can he play? We have played a lot of the season with long term injuries to Benteke, Schlupp, Townsend, Sakho, Kelly, and then we have other players have missed a lot of games. Tomkins has also missed a lot of games. We have 1 right back who has been a great servant to the club but is now out of his depth and should only be a squad player. 1 out and out striker who coupled with injuries and god knows what else can’t even kick a ball let alone score. Our lack of left sided players cripples us in a lot of games with McCarthur at times covering that role. These just are some of the issues, then we have an ageing squad and we must have the slowest combines squad in the history of football which is a massive reason why we play as we do. When you have Dann, Sakho and Ward, in your defence it would be criminal to leave them exposed. All of this then we have a lot of players who are just not good enough anymore. None of this is Roy’s fault. He has tried to get a right back since AWB left but the club failed, he has tried to get a striker but the club let him down. The club won’t spend the money for reasons unknown to us fans and this is where we are. The team basically picks itself every week and then when you look at the bench what are the options? Meyer or Riedewald. Riedewald is a centre back or defensive midfielder so why people scream for him to change a game I’ll never know. In my opinion from what Iv seen his best position is on the bench. Then we have Meyer who may just be at the wrong club but he hasn’t done anything to warrant a starting place he has had a lot of time to impress in training at least. ( I think there is more than meets the eye on the Meyer situation). We have the young players who again are not good enough because if they were they would play. People accuse Roy of only picking favourites but there is no way in hell that he would not play someone if they were better than someone else. From what I seen of our young lads they will have careers in league 1 or 2. Yes, our football is awful. Yes it is boring, but Roy doesn’t tell the players to not score to not hit a pass to a team mate to not take a decent corner. We play most games with 3 out and out attacking players, It is not as if we play 5-4-1 just hoofing long balls up to a big man, Roy has is flaws but our players have more flaws and the lack of signings is criminal. All very fair points well made. The issue I believe is Roy has taken this group of players as far as he can. We are not going to change the entire team over night so the core of the team is going to remain pretty much unchanged with a few new faces thrown in. He only has a one year contract anyway so what is the real point of him staying. I think a new manager with fresh ideas might just scrape us through the coming season, alas I fear Roy will not. The choices are limited however, we may well be damned if we do change, damned if we don't. Parish needs to realise what a crucial point in our recent history this is and convince his spendthrift co-conspirators that they need to speculate to accumulate.
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