Do your 'not many quality blacks' and 'crabs in a bucket' comments nudge people towards or away from the above though? A consequence of your distancing from, and sometimes belittlement of minorities is that the idea of becoming one appears to be both soul destroying and ever present for you. You've walked yourself into a single focus view. You're no more or less deserving than anyone else who was born here and loves their country. It's possible that you agree with that anyway.

I'm not screaming 'throw open the borders', the opposite is true. I don't care what colour peoples kids are or need to know by what criteria they chose a partner. Most people just fall in love with who they fall in love with and take it from there, rather than a Crufts style approach but each to their own.

I would agree that endless threads are self indulgent and time consuming. There is always another reply.. another reply.. For what it's worth I think it's good that this is an outlet for how you feel. Better out than in and all that. I'm not expert in knowing how someone will take what I say. I wouldn't want anyone to become even more strident in their views as result of their interactions with me with threads of commonality lost along the way.

Edited by dollardays (19 Mar 2019 10.27pm)

It’s not what I feel about it - the specific point you made around Anglo Saxon lineage is technically racist - mildly if there is such a thing but technically it is, prioritising one race over another for the sake of identity.

I get your point around inferiority but ultimately that is arguably implied by that attitude, intentionally or not. I certainly feel most people would find that opinion referenced the opinions of many decades ago regarding mixed race marriages even if the point of origination is not the same. I can’t see how that is a good thing?

Yeah I’d agree that anyone holding similar views is just the same - the Japanese especially.

Regarding England remaining English from a racial and genetic point of view, fine, but I believe the English identity is about more than just genes and lineage. It’s quite a purist point of view, and one that is wholly unattainable or realistic. And in some contexts certainly not helpful. But it’s your point of view, and you’re entitled to that.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Preference becomes a problem when it removes other people’s right to choice and free will, for example, for the sake of preservation of identity. Or to a lesser extent makes them feel marginalised or treated and viewed differently because of a choice they’ve made that is explicitly linked to race. I’m not sure you can dilute this so easily by talking about long or short legged women. There’s too much water under the bridge to make light of what used to happen (and clearly still does, just not our in the open) when it comes to inter racial marriage/relationships etc.

Your point on maybe this is what I am - if you’re making statements like that which are clearly based on racial preference, then I think most people these days would ditch the maybe. Again, that’s your viewpoint but again I’d be wary of posting that on a publically search indexed forum.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

It's not necessarily related to what I think – it's just what the majority think. What I would say is that I thought the days of racial profiling deciding who people procreate with were, at least on the whole, in the past. I'd personally never take the same stance, i.e tell my offspring that I was either disappointed in them or worse for choosing a non-anglo saxon partner.

Re. free will, of course I do. But not consciously because of their race. That's the point here. Sub-conciously? Based on research probably, as much as it pains me to say it.

I never said it was illegal! But writing such stuff down in a public forum is in my opinion a bit risky.

The point around being careful what you write is simply a general one, not a personal threat. There are probably plenty of people in some of the more aggressive far left organisations that you despise who would no doubt love to latch onto your opinion, maybe even attempt to go further. Why risk it?

It's well documented that Japan is a very xenophobic, isolationist culture, which also naturally produces a large amount of racist incidents. I'm not sure that is in any way revelatory, or even a minority view.

Also the point around ditching the maybe? That's just how people will view you after talking about racial preference in that way. I can't think you would of thought any different, surely? Norms of the past don't usually hold up well in the cold hard light of the present.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (20 Mar 2019 1.16pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Observes point sailing over head by several thousand miles.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Is there any evidence for a statement like that. I'm not so sure. [Link] Indeed, when you consider the world I'd say your views on this topic are very much the minority.

It may be what you intellectual bubble thinks and those you surround yourself with and respect think. However, that is not the same thing.

Let's look at that statement logically. If people weren't 'racially profiling' as you say...Whereas I would choose different words like 'exercising preference'.... then the minorities that have been here since mass immigration began would have been far more mixed into the population than they are. The number of sexual partners available from the white community far far exceeds those from their own.

The reality is that most different racial groups are choosing the same racial partners in an environment where they have ready access to different races. You are either choosing to ignore this or simply disbelieve what I feel is very obviously the case.

I simply stated the same preferred choice...Not a forced one.....as I believe in an individual's mental agency and choice.....and not an exclusive choice as you then chose to take the statement.

You say it's not necessarily related to what you think and then precede to give us....in my view, what amounts to a distinction without a difference.

Now in this reply I will say that while I completely disagree with most of your points I have some respect for your viewpoint as I once held similar views. I'm not saying this for point scoring but simply in a recognition of your egalitarianism.

That said we differ significantly and I have some things to say.

The fact remains you are making value judgements over what I consider are valid choices.

I feel you are mistaken if you are suggesting that you don't or haven't made value judgements on people using criteria that the individual has no control over....for example, a good looking girlfriend over a plain one.....A smart girlfriend over a dimmer one.....and my example of preferring long legs to short legs isn't throw away at all....It lies at the very centre of that this discussion is about.

You simply think your discriminations are less transgressionary than mine based purely upon arbitrary value judgements within current popular culture. When that culture changes do you think I'll be telling you to stop speaking your views because we have activist nutters out there?.....though you have a point.

Anyway the fact is these preferences are normal in the world and indeed within this very country. We just have this current absurd attitude towards anyone talking about it.

I'm already aware of the problems associated talking honestly creates in our modern society. Even talking directly about commonplace behaviour.

You seem to be suggesting that I should pull my horns in....perhaps you are right. However, while I think I'd prefer to post far less on this stuff I don't consider that course of action a particularly good reflection of what is meant to be a free society.

I don't feel that I've said anything particularly outlandish or shocking at all.

I don't accept how you characterise Japan......a country that is very popular with tourists and migrant workers despite your description....it isn't isolationist and is a massive trading country with cultural links all over the world.

I don't consider the desire to maintain a biological existence that has maintained for many thousands of years somehow....racist. Japan is a global nation in many ways it just doesn't except the ideas on identity that you do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 8.35pm)

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