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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jun 20 2.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Could be, but there are plenty who would do it. Anyone who hola’s people should be ignored under any circumstances.
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Matov 02 Jun 20 2.18pm | |
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Out of interest, do any on the left think that collective race-specific guilt should only be limited to white people? And if so, is that guilt to be shared out equally or would some specific national groups be spared? For example I do not recollect say Norway being involved in the slavery trade. Would Norwegians be spared? Or deemed any less guilty?
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 02 Jun 20 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Out of interest, do any on the left think that collective race-specific guilt should only be limited to white people? And if so, is that guilt to be shared out equally or would some specific national groups be spared? For example I do not recollect say Norway being involved in the slavery trade. Would Norwegians be spared? Or deemed any less guilty? Norwegians should be kneeling down in front of whales
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Matov 02 Jun 20 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Norwegians should be kneeling down in front of whales A fair point, well made.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jun 20 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Norwegians should be kneeling down in front of whales Vikings were the biggest slave traders on the planet so not going to work.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 20 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Vikings were the biggest slave traders on the planet so not going to work. I thought African nations were the biggest slave traders on the planet?
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Matov 02 Jun 20 2.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I thought African nations were the biggest slave traders on the planet? I think the Vikings mainly trafficked whites. And that does not count. Nothing wrong with that. Probably healthy really. Promotes diversity, ensures genetic health, prevents too much inbreeding. To be celebrated really, when you examine it closely.
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DanH SW2 02 Jun 20 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Out of interest, do any on the left think that collective race-specific guilt should only be limited to white people? And if so, is that guilt to be shared out equally or would some specific national groups be spared? For example I do not recollect say Norway being involved in the slavery trade. Would Norwegians be spared? Or deemed any less guilty? You don't have to feel guilty. And it's not about slavery, although obviously that is extremely important to recognise in a historical context. It's about recognising that it's tougher for black people in general compared to white people. There have been several on this thread who have talked of their own crappy upbringings and making a decent life for themselves despite of that. That's brilliant and no one is taking that away from anyone. What people didn't also have against them was anything further holding them back because of the colour of their skin. I do not believe that many people are consciously racist - it is more something is more ingrained in society. Confirmation bias is a very real thing when it comes to making a selection. People are naturally more likely to favour someone that looks like them, speaks like them, thinks like them etc. This is where the system is rigged against the non-white members of people living in a society that is largely governed by, big business run by, and have influential figures of society are largely white. For all those saying 'All Lives Matter', you will not find one person that disagrees with you, but you are very much missing the point, whether purposely or not. All lives will not matter until black lives also matter, until Asian lives also matter, until everyone matters equally. When you see what is happening on the news, when a black person is maltreated, really challenge your currently held believes and ask yourself 'would the same really happen to a white person?'. If you can consciously look yourself in a mirror and say yes then fine, that's the decision you have come to. But just try and put yourself in the shoes of people that have to live with the treatment that has been dished out to George Floyd and the many others.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Jun 20 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You don't have to feel guilty. And it's not about slavery, although obviously that is extremely important to recognise in a historical context. It's about recognising that it's tougher for black people in general compared to white people. There have been several on this thread who have talked of their own crappy upbringings and making a decent life for themselves despite of that. That's brilliant and no one is taking that away from anyone. What people didn't also have against them was anything further holding them back because of the colour of their skin. I do not believe that many people are consciously racist - it is more something is more ingrained in society. Confirmation bias is a very real thing when it comes to making a selection. People are naturally more likely to favour someone that looks like them, speaks like them, thinks like them etc. This is where the system is rigged against the non-white members of people living in a society that is largely governed by, big business run by, and have influential figures of society are largely white. For all those saying 'All Lives Matter', you will not find one person that disagrees with you, but you are very much missing the point, whether purposely or not. All lives will not matter until black lives also matter, until Asian lives also matter, until everyone matters equally. When you see what is happening on the news, when a black person is maltreated, really challenge your currently held believes and ask yourself 'would the same really happen to a white person?'. If you can consciously look yourself in a mirror and say yes then fine, that's the decision you have come to. But just try and put yourself in the shoes of people that have to live with the treatment that has been dished out to George Floyd and the many others. Ah the old ‘all lives matter’ Attachment: EE565564-970F-4295-85A7-433291D2B068.jpeg (144.56Kb)
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 20 2.59pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ah the old ‘all lives matter’ Hard to take the message quite so seriously given the astonishing rate of black on black murders happening daily in the USA. That's probably white peoples fault again though. Still, if you can get some new trainers out of the whole situation? #blacknikesmatter
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 02 Jun 20 2.59pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You don't have to feel guilty. And it's not about slavery, although obviously that is extremely important to recognise in a historical context. It's about recognising that it's tougher for black people in general compared to white people. There have been several on this thread who have talked of their own crappy upbringings and making a decent life for themselves despite of that. That's brilliant and no one is taking that away from anyone. What people didn't also have against them was anything further holding them back because of the colour of their skin. I do not believe that many people are consciously racist - it is more something is more ingrained in society. Confirmation bias is a very real thing when it comes to making a selection. People are naturally more likely to favour someone that looks like them, speaks like them, thinks like them etc. This is where the system is rigged against the non-white members of people living in a society that is largely governed by, big business run by, and have influential figures of society are largely white. For all those saying 'All Lives Matter', you will not find one person that disagrees with you, but you are very much missing the point, whether purposely or not. All lives will not matter until black lives also matter, until Asian lives also matter, until everyone matters equally. When you see what is happening on the news, when a black person is maltreated, really challenge your currently held believes and ask yourself 'would the same really happen to a white person?'. If you can consciously look yourself in a mirror and say yes then fine, that's the decision you have come to. But just try and put yourself in the shoes of people that have to live with the treatment that has been dished out to George Floyd and the many others. Maybe when the black population start to help themselves more and stop playing the victim then they will have an easier time. Pretty much all other races/nationalities arrive here, work hard, bring up their family and often the second generation prosper. You can’t tell me it’s any easier for someone who is Chinese, Indian or Jewish, and yet all these groups have in the main, prospered and none play the victim or race card. The black community need to start taking personal responsibility for Their actions and status. Way to many black kids get involved in crime when their Indian or Chinese counterpart is at home doing their homework. The UK is a fair playing field if you are prepared to work hard.
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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 3.03pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ah the old ‘all lives matter’ Oh the old dated 'house on fire'.....Cringe. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 3.03pm)
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