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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 02 Nov 18 3.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Gyro1780
Is that a joke? A fully fit Wickham is 10x the player Sorloth is. Sorloth is not good enough at this level. If we're going to keep him, then send him out on loan in January/next summer to a League One/Two club & buy a decent striker. no its not a joke, i like wickham but he has hardly proved himself to be a goalscoring machine, he could be if he could stay fit and get a half a season match sharpness under his belt. where is this “decent striker” coming from then? and where is the money coming from? we cant just stockpile strikers just in case we find one who can create his own chances from f*** all service.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 02 Nov 18 3.15pm | |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
no its not a joke, i like wickham but he has hardly proved himself to be a goalscoring machine, he could be if he could stay fit and get a half a season match sharpness under his belt. where is this “decent striker” coming from then? and where is the money coming from? we cant just stockpile strikers just in case we find one who can create his own chances from f*** all service. the Chelsea approach to buying players and loaning them out in case they come good
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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 02 Nov 18 3.22pm | |
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Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo
It’s hard to see what exactly Sorlorth striker strengths are to be honest. The 10 goals in 19 games for his Danish club is a good return, but there is a huge difference between the Premiership and the Danish league. Some might argue that he has not had much full game playing time but in my opinion he is not a game changing striker or player that can turn a game on its head He is young at 22, but he has now has had time to adapt to English football. Whenever I have seen him play he always seems out of position and two places off the speed of the game. tbf ive never thought about his record in the danish leagues as it isnt comparible to england, stephen dobbie is averaging over a goal a game in scotland this season...haha. i dont think he has had enough gametime to properly settle into this league...hes had what? 12 appearances, lets guess at 4 in the cup comps, so roughly 8 sub appearances, probably totalling less than 200 minutes of PL football. with regards to seeing what sort of player he is, i would say thats pretty easy, hes a targetman who should be able to bring others into play, and set up chances for somebody quick playing off him, basically in the mould of bentekkers. so the lad has had approx 2 matches worth of gametime, from the bench, in a team that doesnt create chances for strikers & he is being written off by some people. unbeleivable...he may turn out rubbish, but lets give him a proper chance 1st.
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Eaglecoops CR3 02 Nov 18 3.24pm | |
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He needs to go on loan to a Championship side in January and we should insist that (as far as you can enforce it) they play him every week. He needs to learn English football and one level down is a good place to learn it. That will make or break him. We will have Benteke back in the New Year and with Wickham back to fitness I would send Ayew back to Wales and use the money for wages on a new striker. If Moses comes back, that will provide wing cover and put pressure on Andros. My plan for Jan - Sorloth loan, Ayew out, Puncheon out, Schlupp out, Moses or Antonio in plus creative midfielder, plus striker and leave a space hopefully for RLC on loan.
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Warlodog Warlingham 02 Nov 18 4.10pm | |
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Boro also made 8 changes to their team on Wednesday. With the exception of one or two, the majority of the team were hopeless the other night and that includes Sorloth. I accept the service to our strikers is not great and would love it if he proved myself and the other doubters wrong, but he looks slow, cumbersome, appears unable to jump and seldom wins a header in the box. He gives away needless fouls (Bournemouth away in particular comes to mind). I don't doubt he is giving it his all (as did the others), but he just doesn't look anywhere near good enough at this level. I fear he may be found wanting in the Championship as well, although hopefully that will not be put to the test any time soon.
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Maine Eagle USA 02 Nov 18 4.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
They certainly never hit the ground running. Vardy joined when Leicester were in the Championship and in his first season only scored 5 goals in 29 apps. When Mahrez joined, Leicester were also in the Championship and in his initial season scored 3 goals in 20 apps and in the next season 4 goals in 32 apps. Michu and Defoe hit the ground running. Murray is doing ok since he left. Are you telling me you think Sorloth will play like Vardy and Mahrez in his second season at the club? I certainly hope you are right. The argument falls down a bit there though sadly. Our signing of Sorloth was incredibly poor, its plain and simple. Benteke has been awful in front of goal for over 14 months, Wickham may never come back fully, and we bring in Ayew on loan and Sorloth for almost 10 million quid? That is simply not good enough. Did you watch the Boro game? Yes everyone was pretty poor but Sorloth was absolutely woeful and even his demeanor and body language was the worst of all of our players. We needed to sign players who were ready to contribute immediately given our issues at the position. You can sign players under 10 million quid that can contribute immediately, but its much easier to sign a flop, currently Sorloth sits squarely in the latter camp. Buying a player who needs to go out on loan immediately is criminal in our position, yet this is what we have done. Erdal Rakip anyone?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Nov 18 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Michu and Defoe hit the ground running. Murray is doing ok since he left. Are you telling me you think Sorloth will play like Vardy and Mahrez in his second season at the club? I certainly hope you are right. The argument falls down a bit there though sadly. Our signing of Sorloth was incredibly poor, its plain and simple. Benteke has been awful in front of goal for over 14 months, Wickham may never come back fully, and we bring in Ayew on loan and Sorloth for almost 10 million quid? That is simply not good enough. Did you watch the Boro game? Yes everyone was pretty poor but Sorloth was absolutely woeful and even his demeanor and body language was the worst of all of our players. We needed to sign players who were ready to contribute immediately given our issues at the position. You can sign players under 10 million quid that can contribute immediately, but its much easier to sign a flop, currently Sorloth sits squarely in the latter camp. Buying a player who needs to go out on loan immediately is criminal in our position, yet this is what we have done. Erdal Rakip anyone? With respect one cannot compare the situations with Michu and Defoe with that of Sorloth. Before joining Swansea, Michu had played some 250 games in Spain and of course Defoe was a very experienced player and a recognised goalscorer when he joined Sunderland. Apropos your other point, I was not advocating that Sorloth will suddenly turn into a prolific goalscorer next season.My intepretation of your post was that you were inferring that both Vardy and Mahrez hit the ground running whereas I demonstrated that they were certainly not prolific in their opening seasons at the club. Taking all factors into consideration, I am prepared to reserve judgement on Sorloth.We have to hope that he doesn't prove a flop and that he makes a positive contribution at our club. Edited by Willo (02 Nov 2018 4.53pm)
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Bangell Oxford 02 Nov 18 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
He needs to go on loan to a Championship side in January and we should insist that (as far as you can enforce it) they play him every week. He needs to learn English football and one level down is a good place to learn it. That will make or break him. We will have Benteke back in the New Year and with Wickham back to fitness I would send Ayew back to Wales and use the money for wages on a new striker. If Moses comes back, that will provide wing cover and put pressure on Andros. My plan for Jan - Sorloth loan, Ayew out, Puncheon out, Schlupp out, Moses or Antonio in plus creative midfielder, plus striker and leave a space hopefully for RLC on loan. Where does the money come from in this plan?
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Maine Eagle USA 02 Nov 18 5.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect one cannot compare the situations with Michu and Defoe with that of Sorloth. Before joining Swansea, Michu had played some 250 games in Spain and of course Defoe was a very experienced player and a recognised goalscorer when he joined Sunderland. Apropos your other point, I was not advocating that Sorloth will suddenly turn into a prolific goalscorer next season.My intepretation of your post was that you were inferring that both Vardy and Mahrez hit the ground running whereas I demonstrated that they were certainly not prolific in their opening seasons at the club. Taking all factors into consideration, I am prepared to reserve judgement on Sorloth.We have to hope that he doesn't prove a flop and that he makes a positive contribution at our club. Edited by Willo (02 Nov 2018 4.53pm) I agree they are not comparable, Michu and Defoe had proven track records, the point I was making was about how much they cost. I am afraid to say Sorloth and Michu/Defoe dont have a whole lot in common, in any department. I dont agree with your previous sentiment that it is not possible to bring in a striker for under 10 mil who can be productive in the Premier League immediately. It appeared to me you were making excuses for this very poor signing, inferring that it was somehow unavoidable. It was avoidable and furthermore, should have been avoided. We are not a club who can have a "work in progress" project type striker on the books. Vardy and Mahrez are further evidence of quality purchases with incredible value. Now dont get me wrong, I think we did very well with the likes of Kouyate and Luka, but for every one of those there is a few Erdal Rakips, Adebayors or Jaroslav Jachs. In January we need to dig deep, and once and for all address the problem position at the club properly. We need to stop messing around with stop gap, half baked measures like signing a player who is so far away from being PL ready that its almost unfair to Sorloth himself, to put him in this position.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Nov 18 6.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I agree they are not comparable, Michu and Defoe had proven track records, the point I was making was about how much they cost. I am afraid to say Sorloth and Michu/Defoe dont have a whole lot in common, in any department. I dont agree with your previous sentiment that it is not possible to bring in a striker for under 10 mil who can be productive in the Premier League immediately. It appeared to me you were making excuses for this very poor signing, inferring that it was somehow unavoidable. It was avoidable and furthermore, should have been avoided. We are not a club who can have a "work in progress" project type striker on the books. Vardy and Mahrez are further evidence of quality purchases with incredible value. Now dont get me wrong, I think we did very well with the likes of Kouyate and Luka, but for every one of those there is a few Erdal Rakips, Adebayors or Jaroslav Jachs. In January we need to dig deep, and once and for all address the problem position at the club properly. We need to stop messing around with stop gap, half baked measures like signing a player who is so far away from being PL ready that its almost unfair to Sorloth himself, to put him in this position. With respect, I am not a club spokesman attempting to justify signings or transfer strategy. The sum of £9 Mill for a striker is a pittance in PL terms in this day and age and clubs and supporters should not be surprised if such a striker doesn't hit the ground running in a bottom half team.
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Painter Croydon 02 Nov 18 7.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect, I am not a club spokesman attempting to justify signings or transfer strategy. The sum of £9 Mill for a striker is a pittance in PL terms in this day and age and clubs and supporters should not be surprised if such a striker doesn't hit the ground running in a bottom half team. Eddie Howe is still able to find a few gems and develop them, Callum Wilson fee £3.5m and Josh King fee free ( a Norwegian forward who can play )
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Nov 18 7.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
Eddie Howe is still able to find a few gems and develop them, Callum Wilson fee £3.5m and Josh King fee free ( a Norwegian forward who can play ) Agreed. Callum Wilson signed when Bournemouth were in the Championship so he wasn't thrust straight into the PL. King was signed on a free as his contract expired at Blackburn.He was signed when they were in the PL but he scored in his 13th game for the club (In November) and ended up with 8 goals for the season so hardly prolific.
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