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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Sep 17 11.12pm | |
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'Since we've been in the PL it hasn't been how much we've spend but that we've spent it on some pretty poor players who we can't get rid of.' Maybe we agree on more than it first seems. I just think you're a bit quick to presume, right, he said this, which doesn't infer anything, then did this, which may not be a result of one thing in particular, and because some commentators are free to throw their opinion in (without it having any consequence), it must be real. The 'lack' in describing funds is poorly phrased. Poorly planned transfer strategy over time, yes. It's got me thinking, with the help of knowing Jimmy and Cabaye are free agents next summer and Mensah and Cheek will probably return, that something needs to change. Our wage bill is 9th yet the squad will rarely hit 9th,X and probably won't this or next season. We're signing players that cost what Spurs pay for them, but because of that we can't afford depth, and yet they're not as good as spurs players anyway. And this is because the scouting is poor. So what have we done? Signed Riedewald who Frank obviously knew and hired freedman who's far from qualified for such a role. It's not 'lack' of funds that's the problem. It's lack expertise and strategy that's the problem. We've gone through repetition of recruit and replace or sign and drain the wage bill. The 2 obvious ones in error were Pardew's extension and Parish signing Sakho. It's going to take time to address it all if we get the chance to in this league but one thing's for sure. The scouting will have to be pretty good next summer unless we sell big and sell top talent to maintain being a high paying and reasonably high trading club. High in first team plus a few I mean.
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Nobbybm Dartford 07 Sep 17 12.14am | |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Complete and utter fabrication. I point you to my answer above. He decided before the Hull game to leave the club. He said in an interview to Jim White on Talksport. It appears you might be one of the Wallys for believing b/s and even if it were true Allardyce never alluded to it and said he made his decision a full days or more before the bombing. You keep insulting people that question you but never seem to back up your comments. If you are referring to the Jim White interview I heard then he didn't actually say he'd made his mind up but that he knew his work was done. That could easily be construed as he'd achieved what he was employed to do. If that was the case then he is a bloody good actor if you look at his press conferences pre & post Manure - even taking his cryptic response at the end of the latter it was all very much about planning for the new season & players out/in. Pre: Post:
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TheExpatEagle 07 Sep 17 8.32am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
'Since we've been in the PL it hasn't been how much we've spend but that we've spent it on some pretty poor players who we can't get rid of.' Maybe we agree on more than it first seems. I just think you're a bit quick to presume, right, he said this, which doesn't infer anything, then did this, which may not be a result of one thing in particular, and because some commentators are free to throw their opinion in (without it having any consequence), it must be real. The 'lack' in describing funds is poorly phrased. Poorly planned transfer strategy over time, yes. It's got me thinking, with the help of knowing Jimmy and Cabaye are free agents next summer and Mensah and Cheek will probably return, that something needs to change. Our wage bill is 9th yet the squad will rarely hit 9th,X and probably won't this or next season. We're signing players that cost what Spurs pay for them, but because of that we can't afford depth, and yet they're not as good as spurs players anyway. And this is because the scouting is poor. So what have we done? Signed Riedewald who Frank obviously knew and hired freedman who's far from qualified for such a role. It's not 'lack' of funds that's the problem. It's lack expertise and strategy that's the problem. We've gone through repetition of recruit and replace or sign and drain the wage bill. The 2 obvious ones in error were Pardew's extension and Parish signing Sakho. It's going to take time to address it all if we get the chance to in this league but one thing's for sure. The scouting will have to be pretty good next summer unless we sell big and sell top talent to maintain being a high paying and reasonably high trading club. High in first team plus a few I mean. Fair enough, I can accept what you are saying though I don't tend to rely on one person saying something in one interview. I can also accept that I tend to apply past practises when thinking of current situations. Parish has a history of being a tight sod and dressing it up with keeping the club out of trouble which he isn't wrong for doing but got away with it in his first 5 years so it is easy to believe it is about money. However, as I said I don't just go by one interview. For example, Parish said one thing in the BT Sport post match show after the Burnley home game where he spoke about how much we spent in January and that we won't be able to spend that much in the summer. As you know we spent about £30m plus Sakho's loan fee. Parish then said something else regarding the summer transfer activity (can't remember where but probably Talksport) and then in the US radio interview in June where he said he had agreed on one maybe two players coming in. Some people say Sakho plus one. Piecing the three together you can get a picture (as long as Parish is being truthful and nothing changes after the fact which it did because de Boer was appointed) and that picture is pretty much what has happened. As you rightly say the transfer policy has been poor and we have been somewhat of a time bomb waiting to go off which might happen next summer. As you say Jimmy and Cabaye are out of contract, the two loanees will return plus 'squad players' such as Speroni, Delaney, Sako, Lee and Mutch will be out of contract if not more (I think Ward, Kelly, Dann and Souare might be too). As I said before, I don't believe in throwing money around but had we invested £10m on good potential a year ago and follow Chelsea's model of loaning then out then that £10m would be recouped and we might have the next first team squad in the making. As Chelsea loaned out between 45-55 players in each of the last two seasons I can only imagine how much revenue that generated. Some would have generated over a million some a few hundred thousand. But it's income. I'm of the opinion that Wilf will be sold next summer. It's the only thing that makes sense. When he signed a new contract I was generally cool on it. Parish said he had 3 years left and wasn't going anywhere so a new contract was no indication that he was more likely to stay, just that we could command a bigger fee because of his better contract. He basically signed up to 2 extra years and trebled his waged and had a host of clauses inserted. But that is nothing against Wilf, I almost think he should leave because he deserves better than what he is having to play with.
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TheExpatEagle 07 Sep 17 8.41am | |
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Originally posted by Nobbybm
You keep insulting people that question you but never seem to back up your comments. If you are referring to the Jim White interview I heard then he didn't actually say he'd made his mind up but that he knew his work was done. That could easily be construed as he'd achieved what he was employed to do. If that was the case then he is a bloody good actor if you look at his press conferences pre & post Manure - even taking his cryptic response at the end of the latter it was all very much about planning for the new season & players out/in. Pre: Post: Who did I insult and how? The interview I am referring to was on 18th July and is quoted in newspapers on 19th July. Fact: He says he made his decision before the Hull game. "Privately, I knew I was going to leave the club before the Hull game. I had made the decision privately. I had talked it over with my wife, and I have to listen to her because she wanted me to pack it in a long time ago." Fact: Parish said in a radio interview that they had agreed "1 maybe 2" transfers in the summer. Would Allardyce have had those discussions if he had already made his decision? So it must have taken place before the Hull game thus influencing his decision. "Palace owner Steve Parish had no idea and wouldn't find out until after the final day at Manchester United." Make of it what you will. I am not asking you to agree with my views on what happened but don't expect me to agree with yours.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Sep 17 8.56am | |
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So not 'Lack of' funds then. You seriously suggesting we can go out and buy players of £10 million and loan them out? Already there's talk of where we could've used the money on Riedewald and actually if you add the Riedewald money of £8 mil to the about £11 mil we were prepared to pay for Niasse, that's £20 mil on top of Souare. So more so, not a 'Lack of funds.' I'm at the point where I don't understand why you're trying to prove this 'lie.' If you agree with what I said regarding not spending more than 9th on wages and a very reasonable amount on transfers, whilst also saying Parish is known for being tightfisted, who is your beef with? We have been able and prepared to splash the cash again. £45 mil or so, Sam hasn't made any noises about managing a club again after managing us after the England controversy and mentions of another international job. So I'm confused. What's the problem, who's the beef with, because it doesn't add up as you think?
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TheExpatEagle 07 Sep 17 8.57am | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Your the wally mate. You say he made the decision before Hull and yet his decision was based on transfer budget. Before Hull he wouldn't have known the transfer budget.... My point was even if he had decided before Hull, then the tragic news of his wife's friends death may have been the deciding factor. As in, I've made my decision and I'm certainly not changing it now. Can not for the life of me imagine he'd have known before Hull game what our transfer budget was, but you are sure he did and that's why he decided to leave. Ok mate, make sense.... Oh and not one actual bit of respectable newspaper print to back up your thesis. You sir must be right. Throw in the FACT he lorded Palace for there huge backing of him in Janurary like no other club ever has. Yeah that smells like a man about to resin over a transfer budget. It's a very easy thing to say, manager leaves due to transfer budget. See I just said it.... Doesn't make it true tho. Edited by Goldfiinger (06 Sep 2017 10.58pm) Just noticed you have a blog... do you make up all your stories based on pub talk? Edited by Goldfiinger (06 Sep 2017 11.01pm) First things first. My blog is about my opinions on matches and what's going on based on what I hear, see and read. I don't write news stories, transfer rumours, etc. So no, I don't go down the pub and write about what people say. Look up what a blog is you might learn something. Next, do some research about the club you claim to support. It's a fact that Parish has said he and Allardyce agreed on "1 maybe 2" signings in the summer, which he said so in a US radio interview lasting almost an hour. It is also a fact that Allardyce said he made his decision to go before the Hull game. I don't have that interview but guess what? Talksport does. The interview was on 18th July or just before. It was picked up by the national newspapers with many quotes from the interview on 19th July. So, using logic the initial discussions about transfers must have happened before 1) Sam left and 2) before he decided to leave else he's be pretty disingenuous to have such discussions knowing he was leaving and not saying so to Parish until after the Man U game. There was no tragic news, it was made up. Show me quotes where Allardyce says this is true because he has not said so in anything I have seen, heard or read. Where did I say Allardyce slagged Palace off? Yes, he did say good things about our transfer activity in January. I never said anything to the contrary. He was full of praise about the club after he left, I didn't say there had been some argument. A falling out, did I? Just because you can't imagine something, doesn't mean it isn't true. I have the facts to back up what I am saying. Show me the facts to back up your imagination. Edited by TheExpatEagle (07 Sep 2017 9.00am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Sep 17 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Who did I insult and how? The interview I am referring to was on 18th July and is quoted in newspapers on 19th July. Fact: He says he made his decision before the Hull game. "Privately, I knew I was going to leave the club before the Hull game. I had made the decision privately. I had talked it over with my wife, and I have to listen to her because she wanted me to pack it in a long time ago." Fact: Parish said in a radio interview that they had agreed "1 maybe 2" transfers in the summer. Would Allardyce have had those discussions if he had already made his decision? So it must have taken place before the Hull game thus influencing his decision. "Palace owner Steve Parish had no idea and wouldn't find out until after the final day at Manchester United." Make of it what you will. I am not asking you to agree with my views on what happened but don't expect me to agree with yours. Is every 2 things mutually exclusive to you? So a 70 year old who's been around the block for decades and doesn't really need it anymore had a meaningful talk with his wife but it was really to do with 'Lack of' funds that there weren't a lack of?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Sep 17 9.06am | |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Just because you can't imagine something, doesn't mean it isn't true. I have the facts to back up what I am saying. Show me the facts to back up your imagination. Ha ha. Fantastic. Brilliant. Inspirational even.
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Den1923 07 Sep 17 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by TheExpatEagle
Who did I insult and how? The interview I am referring to was on 18th July and is quoted in newspapers on 19th July. Fact: He says he made his decision before the Hull game. "Privately, I knew I was going to leave the club before the Hull game. I had made the decision privately. I had talked it over with my wife, and I have to listen to her because she wanted me to pack it in a long time ago." Fact: Parish said in a radio interview that they had agreed "1 maybe 2" transfers in the summer. Would Allardyce have had those discussions if he had already made his decision? So it must have taken place before the Hull game thus influencing his decision. "Palace owner Steve Parish had no idea and wouldn't find out until after the final day at Manchester United." Make of it what you will. I am not asking you to agree with my views on what happened but don't expect me to agree with yours. I think you are making some very good and valid points, some of SP decisions and transfer deals over the last four and a bit seasons are very questionable and it is very surprising that we are alleged to have the 9th highest wage bill but probably one of the most injury prone and worst quality squads in the PL league. During the latest period in PL we have also had more managers than most other teams, we appear very unattractive to most good managers and players who seem not to want to come to the club. The latter points are probably exacerbated by the lack of stability that we seem to have as a result of SP and his inability to make decisions and then when he finally does, he does not seem to get them right.
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steven_t92 Orpington 07 Sep 17 9.58am | |
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If the Americans were to be bought out by a less passive business man, who would then control a larger share than Parish, would he want Parish to keep the control over the club that he currently has? No I wouldn't think so, the constant change of management since he took over is ridiculous. We haven't made one good appointment that has been successful and long term. Our only two good appointments have left after half a season (Sam and Pulis). The rest have all been sacked..... I like him as a business man for saving out club and making sure money is invested in the right places but football wise he doesn't know what he is doing. It sounds like anyone who can put together a good enough portfolio gets the job. Edited by steven_t92 (07 Sep 2017 9.58am)
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TheExpatEagle 07 Sep 17 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Is every 2 things mutually exclusive to you? So a 70 year old who's been around the block for decades and doesn't really need it anymore had a meaningful talk with his wife but it was really to do with 'Lack of' funds that there weren't a lack of? No, of course not but it can't have helped. I mean, he might have carried on if he could rebuild the team or at least rebuild half the team. Say it was 50-50, having the prospect of a season with only 2 new players when we lost a lot more than that probably tipped the balance. It's the old saying 'the straw that broke the camel's back'. We all know something minor like a straw can't break a camel's back but it can be the pivotal factor.
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TheExpatEagle 07 Sep 17 10.11am | |
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Originally posted by Den1923
I think you are making some very good and valid points, some of SP decisions and transfer deals over the last four and a bit seasons are very questionable and it is very surprising that we are alleged to have the 9th highest wage bill but probably one of the most injury prone and worst quality squads in the PL league. During the latest period in PL we have also had more managers than most other teams, we appear very unattractive to most good managers and players who seem not to want to come to the club. The latter points are probably exacerbated by the lack of stability that we seem to have as a result of SP and his inability to make decisions and then when he finally does, he does not seem to get them right. Over all I like Parish but I think he is now holding us back. Do we strive forward, dare to dream or do we hold back and play it 'safe'?
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