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matt_himself Matataland 03 Sep 14 11.20am
Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 10.57am Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 9.36am Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 9.14am Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 8.27am Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 8.19am Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 7.20am Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 6.57am Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 6.44am I imagine that the beheading of Steven Sotloff will bring the hundreds of thousands of moderate British Muslims, as we are told exist by lefties, out onto the streets to campaign against such brutality 'not in my name'. That's because its not in their name. They would be murdered too by ISIS for being the wrong kind of Muslim. Rabble rousing nonsense, Matthew. Really? I think that if, as is made out in the liberal media and by pandering apologists, that the Muslim community is regularly 'appalled' by these acts violence, surely they would do something to highlight and show their disgust against Muslim extremist violence to the wider World. It appears that apologists, like yourself, say one thing on behalf of Muslims but the Muslim community does not appear to back up your mealy mouthed offerings. I fully expect that in Kermit World, I am demonstrating ignorance and will be told this soon, but won't really be given and explanation of why it is ignorance. Just told it is with a patronising and empty put down. Which particular Muslim community are you referring to? The Sufis? The secular? The ones who don't believe in Allah/God? The ones who do but live a peaceful, quiet, family life? The London Turkish? The Kurds? Bosniaks? A Maldivian waiters' convention? What have they got to do with IS - a dangerous foe of theirs too - anymore than you or I that you feel it is they that should get up and parade down Whitehall and not us? We are constantly told by people like yourself that the majority of Muslims are peace loving and abhor violence made in the name of Islam. We are constantly told that Islam is a peace loving religion. Therefore, ignoring your facile comment, what are these peaceful people doing to empathise this to the Muslim extremists and the wider world? Nothing or next nothing appears to be the answer. Because they don't understand nor relate to them so feel, rightly, they have nothing to answer for, is the logical explanation. But you want to partly blame still for all the crap that is going on. Why is that, I wonder? Are all muslims guilty in your world? Edited by Kermit8 (03 Sep 2014 9.18am) Same old Kermit. You are asked a question you don't like following one of your spurious comments and turn it into an accusation. I do not believe all Muslims are guilty. What I believe is that there is a reluctance to condemn atrocities committed in the name of Islam by IS, Boko Haram and other nutters and, judging by the steady stream of young British Muslims heading off to places like Syria to partake in holiday Jihad, believe that there is a quiet support for the end to justify means in the broader Muslim community. I don't see wide spread condemnation of this extremism in the Muslim community, by any means, written or physical. To flip this, there was wide scale condemnation of Israels recent actions in Jewish community. Persuade me otherwise. I would be interested in what evidence-based work you have read to come to this conclusion. Do you have the link? I used the word 'believe'. I see little to suggest there is anything to he contrary. You have produced nothing to he contrary in this thread, for example. I take you are giving up on this as you are not answering key aspects just trying to score cheap points. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 03 Sep 14 11.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 10.57am

Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 9.36am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 9.14am

Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 8.27am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 8.19am

Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 7.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 03 Sep 2014 6.57am

Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 6.44am

I imagine that the beheading of Steven Sotloff will bring the hundreds of thousands of moderate British Muslims, as we are told exist by lefties, out onto the streets to campaign against such brutality 'not in my name'.

That's because its not in their name. They would be murdered too by ISIS for being the wrong kind of Muslim.

Rabble rousing nonsense, Matthew.

Really? I think that if, as is made out in the liberal media and by pandering apologists, that the Muslim community is regularly 'appalled' by these acts violence, surely they would do something to highlight and show their disgust against Muslim extremist violence to the wider World.

It appears that apologists, like yourself, say one thing on behalf of Muslims but the Muslim community does not appear to back up your mealy mouthed offerings.

I fully expect that in Kermit World, I am demonstrating ignorance and will be told this soon, but won't really be given and explanation of why it is ignorance. Just told it is with a patronising and empty put down.

Which particular Muslim community are you referring to? The Sufis? The secular? The ones who don't believe in Allah/God? The ones who do but live a peaceful, quiet, family life? The London Turkish? The Kurds? Bosniaks? A Maldivian waiters' convention?

What have they got to do with IS - a dangerous foe of theirs too - anymore than you or I that you feel it is they that should get up and parade down Whitehall and not us?

We are constantly told by people like yourself that the majority of Muslims are peace loving and abhor violence made in the name of Islam. We are constantly told that Islam is a peace loving religion.

Therefore, ignoring your facile comment, what are these peaceful people doing to empathise this to the Muslim extremists and the wider world?

Nothing or next nothing appears to be the answer.

Because they don't understand nor relate to them so feel, rightly, they have nothing to answer for, is the logical explanation. But you want to partly blame still for all the crap that is going on. Why is that, I wonder? Are all muslims guilty in your world?

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Sep 2014 9.18am)

Same old Kermit. You are asked a question you don't like following one of your spurious comments and turn it into an accusation.

I do not believe all Muslims are guilty. What I believe is that there is a reluctance to condemn atrocities committed in the name of Islam by IS, Boko Haram and other nutters and, judging by the steady stream of young British Muslims heading off to places like Syria to partake in holiday Jihad, believe that there is a quiet support for the end to justify means in the broader Muslim community. I don't see wide spread condemnation of this extremism in the Muslim community, by any means, written or physical.

To flip this, there was wide scale condemnation of Israels recent actions in Jewish community.

Persuade me otherwise.

I would be interested in what evidence-based work you have read to come to this conclusion. Do you have the link?

I used the word 'believe'. I see little to suggest there is anything to he contrary. You have produced nothing to he contrary in this thread, for example.

I take you are giving up on this as you are not answering key aspects just trying to score cheap points.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 03 Sep 14 11.34am
Just highlighting the parochial nature of your beliefs, Matthew. You have hung, drawn and quartered the various strands of the Muslim community not aligned at all to the Fundamentalism we are seeing in IS because it appeals to you. You have no evidence of their supposed tacit support but believe it to be so. That, fella, is called blind prejudice. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 03 Sep 14 11.34am

Just highlighting the parochial nature of your beliefs, Matthew.

You have hung, drawn and quartered the various strands of the Muslim community not aligned at all to the Fundamentalism we are seeing in IS because it appeals to you. You have no evidence of their supposed tacit support but believe it to be so.

That, fella, is called blind prejudice.

Big chest and massive boobs

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