The neo liberal right have been in charge of the Tory party for generations.

Since Thatcher moved the economy into more of a service industry than s manufacturing one....(which was common sense, if harshly implemented)...the Tories have used immigration labour for wage suppression and increased GDP via population growth.

However, Tory immigration figures before Blair's new Labour were around 50,000 a year.....Blair enabled 300,000 a year and the Tories that came after him....did little to change it....they lied about it as much as Blair did. They both play the 'globalisation card' and pretend that it's inevitable rather than a political decision.

It's the easy method for short term results....which is what drives a democratic politician.

Long term it's a disaster.....immigrants get old too. We are twice as crowded as Germany and three times as crowded as France and we have automation coming.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 1.37pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's not going to change.

Voting Tory, for a form of Brexit, is for a principle......Long term this country is completely fecked and they are all complicit.

Since 2016 EU migration has fallen but it's still net...meaning more come than go....Non EU migration has risen...and that's because of the reasons I stated previously. It's the 'no brainer' method they use for short term results.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 1.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

To be honest, when you hear some of the arguments from Leave and Remain, it does make me wonder why the voting age isn't reduced to 4 years old.

I do think there is stuff you can do to bring about a more cohesive society, but, when you frame political discourse as if you are in an Oxbridge debating club rather than looking at basic data and information, you, imo, destroy a decent democracy.

Mass immigration is what everyone should be talking about.
It is slowly destroying the fabric of Britain and Europe and only benefits big business and socialist politicians.

Exactly.

We are wedged between greed and ambition and the left wing media are happy to support it.

It's a mixture, right? I'd say 90% of mainstream newspapers are right leaning. The BBC gets slated and I would say it is left leaning, but the take home point of all this is that the arguments are always on feelings and ideologies, which basically turns into a 'you're a racist, no you're a snowflake'.

Just by reading the posts on these threads, people have a very limited understanding of how money works, thinking that austerity was absolutely necessary and comparing a country with it's own currency to Bob and Phil down the road who go to work everyday.

Now, I'm not saying they are ignorant, but what I will say is that their views are largely dictated by the literature they read, which is based on their bias and newspapers like the Daily Mail, which, in my mind is an absolute disgrace of a newspaper, feed people crap without being questioned on it.

So, if something like economics, which can be looked up and explained pretty easily isn't done right by the media, what hope do we have?