So you think it's OK for the Democrat Ralph Northam to remain in office? There are bad people on both sides of the aisle, so to just demonise Republicans is being utterly dishonest.

Re Lindsey Graham, you are saying someone can't change their mind? Many people in the GOP – and the world – feared the worse when Trump was elected and he has since proved many wrong.

If morals mattered, then there would hardly be any politicians left!

You can only attack Trump's morals – f*** me it's low hanging fruit – because you are unable to attack his winning economic polices.

Edited by Penge Eagle (09 May 2019 5.46pm)

Northam should have stepped down.

I wanted to talk policies and get intellectual Penge Eagle, but in the end you bottled it.

His Chinese trade war is just fantastic economic thinking. Tariffs and trade wares are great ideas. Perhaps soy bean farmers might disagree.

Trump looks at economics in possibly a less sophisticated way than a 3 year old. In reality he personally cannot impact the economy that much, except with his bizarre public rants, such as the one he just made about China in the Roosevelt Room in another one of his bizarre rambling rant press conferences that aren't actually press conferences.

Change their mind? I know you are not that thick, Penge Eagle. Trump is just the same as he was before he was elected, he is still a jackass and idiot. What changed is people like Paul and Graham had to decide to bend over and take a beef injection from Trump to keep their cushy jobs and salaries.

They put their dignity and morality aside, to keep their jobs.

"Bad people on both sides" There you go again little Donald! Next you will be calling for John Kerry to be prosecuted under the Logan act, which your idol Big Donald just barked out at the White House.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Sorry, Stirlingsays, but I dont think you have quite grasped the campaign finance issue. There was defrauding going on.

PBS put it well:

During the 2016 election, Cohen paid $130,000 to adult film actress Stephanie Clifford, known as Stormy Daniels, and arranged for a publishing company to pay $150,000 to model Karen McDougal for her story in exchange for the women agreeing to not go public with allegations that they had affairs with Trump. (Trump has denied having affairs with either Clifford or McDougal.)

Cohen’s payment to Clifford, they said, exceeded the $2,700 limit on personal contributions to a single candidate for an election. The payment he helped arrange for McDougal flouted the ban on corporations contributing directly to campaigns.

That is fraud and is illegal. Its legality is not in question, as Cohen is already in JAIL for this!!

Regarding obstruction, over 700 former federal prosecutors (from both sides of the aisle) have publicly stated that Trump clearly committed multiple counts of felony obstruction, and if he was not protected by DOJ rules, he would already be charged.

Much as I respect ex-teachers from Wisbech on matter of US law, I think I will go with the 700 former federal prosecutors.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

You still can, what's stopping you? Over 90% of your posts on Trump are attacking his character. All because you cannot attack his economic policies that are working and the US economy is booming!

I am not referring though to things like adultery whilst in office am I? Indeed I said that such things are not really relevant. They are just the context around a man's character.

Nor am I referring to him ever being convicted. Although he has been indicted many times he has either always settled out of Court or spent big money on attorneys to find ways to mount a legal defence. Of course I believe in due process and the rule of law and want to see it applied to everyone. Presidents included. Ex-Presidents already are as we will all find out in due course.

What I referring to is his public behaviour in which he repeatedly lies, insults in childish terms anyone who criticises, attempts to wind up his "base" with ridiculous rhetoric and generally run the Presidency in a way which demands personal loyalty rather than loyalty to the country.

In addition I was referring to your assertion that the Mueller report hasn't "nailed him" when the jury is clearly still out on that, despite the attempts of his supporters to whitewash him and sweep it under the carpet. There is a lot of water yet to pass under the bridge before that "case is closed", however much the GOP try to wish it away.

There is no need to smear Donald Trump. He manages to cover himself in the brown stuff perfectly well all on his own. The problem is that some people seem to either like that smell, or not be aware where it is coming from.

Anyone who cannot see that having Trump as the POTUS is both a clear and present danger to the USA, and the rest of the world, but also a dangerous example to other wanna be dictators needs to stop trying to defend the indefensible and do some quiet reappraisal.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Deliberately missing the point?

It’s not about having affairs and making hush money payments.

It’s about clearly violating well established campaign finance statutes. That is the law of the land. It’s legality is not in question as Cohen is going to jail for the crime I speak of.

It is a crime, and people go to jail for crimes. It’s simple really.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that (now 800) democrat and republican former federal prosecutors have opined that trump would clearly be already charged with felony obstruction if he wasn’t protected by DOJ rules about indicting the president.

That is a crime, and people go to jail for crimes.

You can try to make breaking the law sound trivial or somehow acceptable, but it’s not ok in modern societies.

Once again Stirlingsays, your viewpoint is your own right, but now 800 former federal prosecutors disagree with you. That fact should probably make you think twice, don’t you think?

Edited by Maine Eagle (10 May 2019 1.57am)

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.