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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Apr 15 2.35pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 2.37pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
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elgrande bedford 05 Apr 15 2.40pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
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salop-eagle 05 Apr 15 2.43pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm)
I blame Maggie Thatcher!!
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 2.50pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
He told me I was wrong about xenophobes in ukip, I responded to that.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Apr 15 3.09pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Apr 15 3.10pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 3.47pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
Call me citizen Smith if you want, that's water off a ducks... But accuse me of listening to the Peter Pan of pop? That's fighting talk.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Apr 15 3.54pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm) UKIP may not be pushing xenophobia according to you (I disagree with you on this) however they do seem to be followed by a lot of xenophobes. No Nick, its Ukip’s detractors like yourself who are keen (almost desperate in fact) to make them out to be xenophobes. As a man of mixed heritage there is no way I would follow Ukip if the party were anti immigrants or had raciest overtones. All Ukip and their followers wish for is a sensible immigration policy where we can control the number of entries into this country, much like Australia or most other non EU countries employ. This will in turn lead to being able to plan for better housing, school places, NHS etc.
No Nick - yet again, you are just wrong. Bit of a worry really, the likes of our country’s children being taught by such misguided fools
Call me citizen Smith if you want, that's water off a ducks... But accuse me of listening to the Peter Pan of pop? That's fighting talk. LOL
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Apr 15 4.48pm | |
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I don't know what 'British values' are! Yet it is a phrase repeatedly wheeled out by the establishment as some undefined code of morality to which true Brits can claim ownership and to which 'Johny Foreigner' should aspire. Hence the quotation marks! I think, if pressed, those who coined it might include tolerance, fairplay and a sense of respect for others rather than isolationism, self interest and xenophobia!
Ukip aren't pushing isolationism....I don't support isolationism myself. We will still trade and cooperate with Europe......We are in Nato.......It isn't 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'. Ukip aren't pushing xenophobia....Of course there are some members who are and are just jumping on the bandwagon....But they don't represent what the party is about. I know of foreign born people who have issues with the 'extent' of immigration, one polish women here in Wisbech who has been here twenty years.....It's about numbers and control of borders. Ukip isn't interested in stopping immigration. Immigration is important for many reasons....But an open door is damaging. Every country should control its borders and its national interest. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Apr 2015 12.29pm)
I blame Maggie Thatcher!! Good post and sums up my position. One thing to acknowledge that immigration needs reforming, another to blame Johnny Foreigner for all our ills.
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Chaos round the corner?
The right has fallen for a mixture of half-truths – the European Union undoubtedly diminished national sovereignty – and fantasy. It is not only the leaders and partisans of Ukip who are in a dreamland; David Cameron has been unable to fight Ukip, because large sections of the Tory party agree and the entire Tory press are in it too."
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