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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
There is no straw too small to grasp at. Let me ask you a serious question. Please put aside for the moment whether you voted to Leave or Remain. If it is shown to be true that our own intelligence services found that the 2016 referendum was so compromised by foreign interference that it's result should be set aside then do you agree that it ought to be taken seriously and acted upon? Just imagine that they had discovered that Germany and France had interfered and the result had been a 52%:48% result in favour of Remain. Would Farage and all the ultra Brexiteers be sitting quietly and saying "it doesn't matter, it was the will of the people"? If there was interference in 2016 you can be sure that there will be again now. Trump has even done it openly. This isn't a question of tribal politics. This is about democracy itself and we ought all be concerned about that whatever our personal beliefs.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 6.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I've now found a short article hidden away on the BBC's website and even the anti Tory BBC seem to think that there is nothing to it other than yet another effort by Dominic Grieve to stir up trouble for Boris Johnson "the anti Tory BBC"! Try reading a few Labour supporting sites and see who they think the BBC support! Bias is in the eye of the beholder. Dominic Grieve has a responsibility above politics to bring malign interference in our democracy into public view. It's his duty.
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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 19 6.18pm | |
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With everything Johnson, just bring it on. Senior politicians are making the point that he had enough time to deliver brexit in any case. The delays and procrastinating were his fault entirely. Once parliament approved there was enough time. Whatever were they doing debating the Queens nonsense speech of a dead parliament. 'Do or die' 'dead in a ditch' thank God his ridiculous sell-out hasn't happened. No wonder there are tory remainers too, they must be overjoyed !!!!!!.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 6.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And yet Parliament who you hold in such high esteem hasn't seen fit to demand a re-run of the election? I maybe wrong but I can't remember any party leader or heavyweight politician calling for a re-run due to fraud? If what I have heard is correct Mrs May was fully informed about this but concluded that the social disruption that would result from a reversal would be too heavy to bear and so she needed to press on and negotiate as soft a deal as she could. Then came Johnson. Now the report of the Parliamentary committee is read to be published and it seems is being kept from public view until after the election. Ask yourself why? I think we can expect a leak from somewhere. This could be as big as the Steele dossier!
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Teddy Eagle 01 Nov 19 6.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If what I have heard is correct Mrs May was fully informed about this but concluded that the social disruption that would result from a reversal would be too heavy to bear and so she needed to press on and negotiate as soft a deal as she could. Then came Johnson. Now the report of the Parliamentary committee is read to be published and it seems is being kept from public view until after the election. Ask yourself why? I think we can expect a leak from somewhere. This could be as big as the Steele dossier! Pesky Russians. There will be accusations they were involved in the US election next.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Nov 19 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let me ask you a serious question. Please put aside for the moment whether you voted to Leave or Remain. If it is shown to be true that our own intelligence services found that the 2016 referendum was so compromised by foreign interference that it's result should be set aside then do you agree that it ought to be taken seriously and acted upon? Just imagine that they had discovered that Germany and France had interfered and the result had been a 52%:48% result in favour of Remain. Would Farage and all the ultra Brexiteers be sitting quietly and saying "it doesn't matter, it was the will of the people"? If there was interference in 2016 you can be sure that there will be again now. Trump has even done it openly. This isn't a question of tribal politics. This is about democracy itself and we ought all be concerned about that whatever our personal beliefs.
Nah.
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Midlands Eagle 01 Nov 19 9.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"the anti Tory BBC"! Try reading a few Labour supporting sites and see who they think the BBC support! Bias is in the eye of the beholder. The BBC made a huge hoo-ha out of the grant given to Jennifer Arcuri running it as it's headline for quite a few days but when the Government confirmed that the grant was in order and that there had been no special treatment by Boris that was slipped in at the bottom of page 4 Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Dominic Grieve has a responsibility above politics to bring malign interference in our democracy into public view. It's his duty. Is there no end to the tripe that you trot out
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 10.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Pesky Russians. There will be accusations they were involved in the US election next. It's a fact that they play both sides against the middle and that a large part of their strategy is to simply disrupt and then destroy confidence in our democracy. it's obviously succeeding beyond their wildest dreams as the level of division that's been created is truly awful. The hatred generated towards the MPs being the more obvious example.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 10.35pm | |
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Once again you demonstrate that you are uncomfortable with the truth and want to see political shenanigans in everything. Sometimes what you see is actually the simple truth. A Parliamentary committee has an important report which the public need to read before the election. The government appear to be blocking its publication. We need to know why and then to see the report.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Nov 19 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Dissolve the United Kingdom and return to an English parliament, return to the fundamentals of the English constitution and English common law and the concepts of individual rights, freedom of speech and the rule of law, freedom of association etc. Ensure all of our institutions respect diversity of opinion. Close our borders, deal head on with the myriad issues that multiculturalism has created. Good luck with that. It would be interesting to debate the pros and cons though. I’m assuming in your mind it’s all upside, of course.
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Teddy Eagle 01 Nov 19 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's a fact that they play both sides against the middle and that a large part of their strategy is to simply disrupt and then destroy confidence in our democracy. it's obviously succeeding beyond their wildest dreams as the level of division that's been created is truly awful. The hatred generated towards the MPs being the more obvious example. I suspect the hatred toward politicians has been ramping up for some time. The almost total detestation of Margaret Thatcher in Scotland is something to see.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 19 11.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I suspect the hatred toward politicians has been ramping up for some time. The almost total detestation of Margaret Thatcher in Scotland is something to see. There is a strand of truth in what you say. One that has been understood well by the Russians and then exploited by them. We have all been used against one another.
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