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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 06 Jan 24 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How does it make any difference whether you approve or not? Referendums are not opinion polls! They only count those who vote. Opinion polls sample everyone. Polls gather opinions of those that chose to give them. That could be a small or large percentage of the population.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Funny, I thought your links were you.gov......isnt that the government?? Ive never been asked in any opinion poll.... Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 12.09pm) Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 12.11pm) I was hoping someone else would gently explain your mistake as I thought you would receive it better if it wasn’t me who did so. YouGov is an international polling business. Nothing to do with government, ours or any other. You really ought to do some research before putting your foot in things. This isn’t the first time.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 4.46pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Polls gather opinions of those that chose to give them. That could be a small or large percentage of the population. And the pollsters allow for that in their processing so that the published data is truly representative of current opinion, within a stated margin of error. They don’t publish the raw data, which is all you get with any referendum.
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Teddy Eagle  06 Jan 24 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How does it make any difference whether you approve or not? Referendums are not opinion polls! They only count those who vote. Opinion polls sample everyone. They're both expressions of opinion. One of which you endorse and the other you want overturned. If "everyone" was so keen on making their view known they would have voted.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 06 Jan 24 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And the pollsters allow for that in their processing so that the published data is truly representative of current opinion, within a stated margin of error. They don’t publish the raw data, which is all you get with any referendum. "Pollsters make allowances". There is no way there is guaranteed certainty in their results. You only have to look at wrong forecasting of opinions. They give % degrees of confidence the polls are correct. These are the statistical processes undertaken to try and quantify any outcomes. Just to say Opinion Polls are correct/truly representative is pure bunkum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They're both expressions of opinion. One of which you endorse and the other you want overturned. If "everyone" was so keen on making their view known they would have voted. They are, but a referendum is a limited expression of opinion. That everyone ought, in my opinion, to vote doesn’t change that. Opinion polls are a sophisticated tool fo measure the current mood on a specific subject. They aren’t intended to be anything else. It’s a good reason not to trust them when trying to assess the probability of how people will actually vote when so many other factors can impact that. I don’t want referendums dumped because of that. I want referendums to be dumped because we elect representatives to take decisions and I want them to do their job and not throw our future to the winds of chance and the influence of media moguls.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"Pollsters make allowances". There is no way there is guaranteed certainty in their results. You only have to look at wrong forecasting of opinions. They give % degrees of confidence the polls are correct. These are the statistical processes undertaken to try and quantify any outcomes. Just to say Opinion Polls are correct/truly representative is pure bunkum. They claim accuracy within a stated margin of error, having used carefully calculated screening and weighting to determine the outcome. They are a guide to attitudes at the time of the sampling and can most usefully demonstrate trends, They are a tool. They aren’t said to offer certainty but they are still a more reliable guide to how any issue is regarded than any referendum, especially when the turn out is low. If you are in business and need to know how people are thinking then you will pay a lot more attention to opinion polls than elections.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 06 Jan 24 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was hoping someone else would gently explain your mistake as I thought you would receive it better if it wasn’t me who did so. YouGov is an international polling business. Nothing to do with government, ours or any other. You really ought to do some research before putting your foot in things. This isn’t the first time.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 06 Jan 24 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They are, but a referendum is a limited expression of opinion. That everyone ought, in my opinion, to vote doesn’t change that. Opinion polls are a sophisticated tool fo measure the current mood on a specific subject. They aren’t intended to be anything else. It’s a good reason not to trust them when trying to assess the probability of how people will actually vote when so many other factors can impact that. I don’t want referendums dumped because of that. I want referendums to be dumped because we elect representatives to take decisions and I want them to do their job and not throw our future to the winds of chance and the influence of media moguls. or you want them dumped because the last one didnt give the result you wanted? Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 6.20pm) Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 6.21pm)
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| Teddy Eagle 06 Jan 24 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They are, but a referendum is a limited expression of opinion. That everyone ought, in my opinion, to vote doesn’t change that. Opinion polls are a sophisticated tool fo measure the current mood on a specific subject. They aren’t intended to be anything else. It’s a good reason not to trust them when trying to assess the probability of how people will actually vote when so many other factors can impact that. I don’t want referendums dumped because of that. I want referendums to be dumped because we elect representatives to take decisions and I want them to do their job and not throw our future to the winds of chance and the influence of media moguls. Particularly when we've elected such a fine and honourable government to decide these things. Our fault again.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 6.17pm) You response simply confirms why I hoped someone else would point out your error.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 24 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
or you want them dumped because the last one didnt give the result you wanted? Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 6.20pm) Edited by the silurian (06 Jan 2024 6.21pm) No. I want them dumped for the reason I explained. Did you read it? Representative government is far from perfect but it’s better than government by Murdoch or Putin.
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