If you did not add that last line or ones like it, it would make it easier to agree with you.

As it is, I don't. Well, the spirit I agree, but not the full letter. I believe those countries you mention observe us with concern as we have teetered very close to becoming a powerful version of Hungary.

Chatter out there from fairly reliable sources that enough letters have been received for Truss to face a leadership challenge although supposedly not being implemented, just yet, with it being expressed that they want over 50% of Tory MP's to have done so before they will start the process.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Genuinely don't know. Am convinced the Tories actually want to stand to one side and let Labour take the grief that is coming along with the blame for getting us back into the EU.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Well quite. But lets imagine the decision has been reached to take us back into the EU (which I believe it has). Which party decides to do that is going to incur significant wrath.

For the Tories, it destroys them. For Labour, it pleases their core membership.

Hence the Tories will stand to one side.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

While obviously I regard the Labour party as a hot mess in just about every department I will concur that I regard Truss as an example of considerable over promotion and a fall in the merit required....evidence of how social liberalism has infected conservatism....Thatcher became leader out of ability and merit at a time where that was the over-riding requirement...Truss was one of Cameron's picks and was protected all the way through to the cabinet....I'm quite convinced that if Truss were male then she'd be little more than a middle manager....for her it's been an example of right time, right place and failing upwards.

However, while Hunt has the mental ability I think you are spot on when you highlight that this guy has zero mandate in terms of support.....He's disliked within the party itself both grass roots and MPs.

The Tories are rudderless at the moment and it's all their own doing.....which is what happens when few of them actually believe in anything other than being a party of power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2022 4.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hardly surprising as German and Dutch men on holiday in Spain are more likely to have slogans on their T shirts in their own language not yours