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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Thank you Cheeful Charlie. It’s a depressing read but I won’t be surprised if a lot of that happens. ‘Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet’ is probably right. But then Italy are beginning to open shops and France announce bars won’t be open until July, so you assume they are expecting or planning to open them. I think there’s a bit of time on Britain’s side and our government will use Europe’s experience with relaxing and ending lockdown in its decision making.
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Teddy Eagle 14 Apr 20 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It’s a depressing read but I won’t be surprised if a lot of that happens. ‘Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet’ is probably right. But then Italy are beginning to open shops and France announce bars won’t be open until July, so you assume they are expecting or planning to open them. I think there’s a bit of time on Britain’s side and our government will use Europe’s experience with relaxing and ending lockdown in its decision making. The problem I have with all this is the oft repeated fact that flu also kills an average of 17,000 a year in Britain. If a section of the population is kept indoors for a year and then the flu comes in is this exclusion continued? By which time Covid could well have mutated and come back rendering any vaccine moot.
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Spiderman Horsham 14 Apr 20 10.52am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes, reading it correctly Banner is a stationery supplier and this is the invoice for March Hahahahahahaha Edited by Mapletree (14 Apr 2020 10.50am) Glad you have got your adult head on today!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 20 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The problem I have with all this is the oft repeated fact that flu also kills an average of 17,000 a year in Britain. If a section of the population is kept indoors for a year and then the flu comes in is this exclusion continued? By which time Covid could well have mutated and come back rendering any vaccine moot. I think the flu vaccine will be given this year as normal. Local surgeries are already organising themselves into clusters and it could be done by the nurses travelling to community halls and people given appointments. District nurses could visit the very vulnerable in their own homes. If my understanding is correct, although the flu mutates each year everyone who has ever had flu, or a vaccine, retains some immunity, even to a mutated strain. So the assumption is that this virus, although significantly more infectious than flu, is likely to be the same, thus the impact will gradually be reduced.
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Mapletree Croydon 14 Apr 20 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Glad you have got your adult head on today! I found it very funny. A nice start to the working week. Thanks.
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cryrst The garden of England 14 Apr 20 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Good point. I also wonder if smokers would be more at risk Or maybe not. What self respecting respiratory bug wants to inhabit a tar filled pair of lungs.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The problem I have with all this is the oft repeated fact that flu also kills an average of 17,000 a year in Britain. If a section of the population is kept indoors for a year and then the flu comes in is this exclusion continued? By which time Covid could well have mutated and come back rendering any vaccine moot. I expect there’s a lot of reacting after the event or making it up as we go along. The government comment that lockdowns could be on and off for 1 (or two years I think) suggest this to some degree. The issue with your figure is that the Covid-19 death figure would be much much higher and higher than the flu without the full on resource drive in the NHS, and the lockdown is suppressing the admissions. I wouldn’t be surprised at there being gradual release from lockdown, to full release, back to full or partial lockdowns or lockdowns for vulnerable only.
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jeeagles 14 Apr 20 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
If this is the outcome in this country this will somewhat disastrous as far as I am concerned, seeing that I enjoy a tipple or two on a fairly regular basis in establishments which serve such products.Not forgetting of course the substantial damage to the businesses that offer this valuable service. I am getting increasingly irascible with head hung like a despondent mule.Whilst I sit as one frustrated hombre I am only too aware that there are those in a far worse position having lost loved ones to this deadly disease and others whose loved ones are in a serious condition. Depends on how it is managed. Low income jobs, and self-employed profit are protected. The problem for all businesses is going to be how to cover rents. I'm not sure if landlords of commercial properties can apply for mortgage holidays, but they are normally wealthy organisations who probably can take a hit... Also, during the lockdown, they won't be able to physically evict and tennents or move new ones in. That gives property landlords/breweries two choices 1) Issue notice to renters/pub landlords to evict them. Incure eviction cost, leave a property empty for potentially months with no income. 2) Negotiate a rent reduction/break for renters, potentially to be paid at a later date, and have a chance of recovering some losses. The sensible ones would have proactively chosen the second option. Aditionally, this is likely to change the working and shopping culture to lead to less demand for office and shopping spaces, which will make it more important to landlords to keep the tennents they have as finding new ones is going to be increasingly difficult. Small breweries may struggle, a lot of them have adapted already. Hogs Back are doing drive throughs and deliveries to keep going. Advantages of being a small business is that they can react quickly to change.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think the flu vaccine will be given this year as normal. Local surgeries are already organising themselves into clusters and it could be done by the nurses travelling to community halls and people given appointments. District nurses could visit the very vulnerable in their own homes. If my understanding is correct, although the flu mutates each year everyone who has ever had flu, or a vaccine, retains some immunity, even to a mutated strain. So the assumption is that this virus, although significantly more infectious than flu, is likely to be the same, thus the impact will gradually be reduced. Whatever lockdowns or advised distancing may or might have to be considered seeing as no or little contact means no or little chance of catching flu but hopefully plenty get them via the ways you mention. My local GP is very efficient at doing them, when they manage to get the correct vaccine for the slot you’ve been given, which went badly wrong about 6 months ago. Days to a week wasted without anyone immunised.
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Teddy Eagle 14 Apr 20 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I expect there’s a lot of reacting after the event or making it up as we go along. The government comment that lockdowns could be on and off for 1 (or two years I think) suggest this to some degree. The issue with your figure is that the Covid-19 death figure would be much much higher and higher than the flu without the full on resource drive in the NHS, and the lockdown is suppressing the admissions. I wouldn’t be surprised at there being gradual release from lockdown, to full release, back to full or partial lockdowns or lockdowns for vulnerable only. You’re probably right but the deaths from flu are still very high.
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cryrst The garden of England 14 Apr 20 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The problem I have with all this is the oft repeated fact that flu also kills an average of 17,000 a year in Britain. If a section of the population is kept indoors for a year and then the flu comes in is this exclusion continued? By which time Covid could well have mutated and come back rendering any vaccine moot. A report I read said an average of 600 flu 'related' deaths a year in the uk.In 2012-13 it could have been as high as 12000. Related is the word that's important. C19 has a specific kill type which causes the lungs to not work so creating issues with other organs. One report is saying that heart attack is killing 100s as the body is fighting so hard to fight the bug that once it's clear the heart is basically worn out. In 1918 they say 40 million + were killed by flu worldwide. That was the last real pandemic of a bug. I wonder if without the distance,lockdowns and medical treatment worldwide if the figure would touch that amount. Maybe awareness is our best saviour.
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Spiderman Horsham 14 Apr 20 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I found it very funny. A nice start to the working week. Thanks. You are welcome. Enjoy your week.
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