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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 20 9.41am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Anyone got any good links to European country graphs of deaths, or better, daily deaths for those bell curves? Italy are beginning to open shops. Bars in France are closed until July. If this is the outcome in this country this will somewhat disastrous as far as I am concerned, seeing that I enjoy a tipple or two on a fairly regular basis in establishments which serve such products.Not forgetting of course the substantial damage to the businesses that offer this valuable service. I am getting increasingly irascible with head hung like a despondent mule.Whilst I sit as one frustrated hombre I am only too aware that there are those in a far worse position having lost loved ones to this deadly disease and others whose loved ones are in a serious condition.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 20 9.41am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Anyone got any good links to European country graphs of deaths, or better, daily deaths for those bell curves?

Italy are beginning to open shops.

Bars in France are closed until July.

If this is the outcome in this country this will somewhat disastrous as far as I am concerned, seeing that I enjoy a tipple or two on a fairly regular basis in establishments which serve such products.Not forgetting of course the substantial damage to the businesses that offer this valuable service.

I am getting increasingly irascible with head hung like a despondent mule.Whilst I sit as one frustrated hombre I am only too aware that there are those in a far worse position having lost loved ones to this deadly disease and others whose loved ones are in a serious condition.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 9.42am
Originally posted by Spiderman I am sure there are many who have claimed very little but there will be others, imo, who have claimed unnecessarily. David Lanny £1428 for stationery for a March banner! He is our alternative cabinet and government. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Apr 20 9.42am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am sure there are many who have claimed very little but there will be others, imo, who have claimed unnecessarily. David Lanny £1428 for stationery for a March banner!

He is our alternative cabinet and government.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 9.47am
Originally posted by Willo If this is the outcome in this country this will somewhat disastrous as far as I am concerned, seeing that I enjoy a tipple or two on a fairly regular basis in establishments which serve such products.Not forgetting of course the substantial damage to the businesses that offer this valuable service. I am getting increasingly irascible with head hung like a despondent mule.Whilst I sit as one frustrated hombre I am only too aware that there are those in a far worse position having lost loved ones to this deadly disease and others whose loved ones are in a serious condition. I was expecting or hoping either early or late June on a lot of the lockdown and there will be other restrictions as we go and this summer will be very uneventful. The economic argument is growing as expected. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Apr 20 9.47am

Originally posted by Willo

I was expecting or hoping either early or late June on a lot of the lockdown and there will be other restrictions as we go and this summer will be very uneventful.

The economic argument is growing as expected.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 20 9.53am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I was expecting or hoping either early or late June on a lot of the lockdown and there will be other restrictions as we go and this summer will be very uneventful. The economic argument is growing as expected. To my mind there is a trade-off between the short-term needs of the NHS and the medium-term needs of the economy,on which the NHS itself depends. When the crossover point comes at which costs outweigh the benefits is a matter of dispute. Whilst of course there are economic considerations there are other factors like mental health,domestic abuse etc etc.There are scores of people exceedingly worried about their jobs and businesses,families are not able to unite,people are having to remain in apartment blocks with small room space and no gardens and all of these factors come into play. Edited by Willo (14 Apr 2020 9.56am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Apr 20 9.53am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I was expecting or hoping either early or late June on a lot of the lockdown and there will be other restrictions as we go and this summer will be very uneventful.

The economic argument is growing as expected.

To my mind there is a trade-off between the short-term needs of the NHS and the medium-term needs of the economy,on which the NHS itself depends.
When the crossover point comes at which costs outweigh the benefits is a matter of dispute.

Whilst of course there are economic considerations there are other factors like mental health,domestic abuse etc etc.There are scores of people exceedingly worried about their jobs and businesses,families are not able to unite,people are having to remain in apartment blocks with small room space and no gardens and all of these factors come into play.

Edited by Willo (14 Apr 2020 9.56am)

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Apr 20 9.54am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Wonder if there is a link here why so many black and Asian people are more susceptible. Would it be fair to say alot may not of had their BCG thus not as protected as the wider community. [Link] Good point. I also wonder if smokers would be more at risk
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Spiderman

Horsham 14 Apr 20 9.54am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Wonder if there is a link here why so many black and Asian people are more susceptible.
Would it be fair to say alot may not of had their BCG thus not as protected as the wider community.

[Link]

Good point. I also wonder if smokers would be more at risk

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Apr 20 9.58am
Originally posted by Spiderman I am sure there are many who have claimed very little but there will be others, imo, who have claimed unnecessarily. David Lanny £1428 for stationery for a March banner! Sorry why is the taxpayer paying for a political banner, that should be the Labour Party? One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 14 Apr 20 9.58am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am sure there are many who have claimed very little but there will be others, imo, who have claimed unnecessarily. David Lanny £1428 for stationery for a March banner!

Sorry why is the taxpayer paying for a political banner, that should be the Labour Party?

One more point

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Teddy Eagle 14 Apr 20 10.07am
Originally posted by Spiderman Sorry David Lammy To give him his full name.
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Teddy Eagle

14 Apr 20 10.07am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Sorry David Lammy

To give him his full name.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Apr 20 10.15am
Originally posted by Willo To my mind there is a trade-off between the short-term needs of the NHS and the medium-term needs of the economy,on which the NHS itself depends. When the crossover point comes at which costs outweigh the benefits is a matter of dispute. Whilst of course there are economic considerations there are other factors like mental health,domestic abuse etc etc.There are scores of people exceedingly worried about their jobs and businesses,families are not able to unite,people are having to remain in apartment blocks with small room space and no gardens and all of these factors come into play. Edited by Willo (14 Apr 2020 9.56am) They are all entwined. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Apr 20 10.15am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (14 Apr 2020 9.56am)

They are all entwined.

COYP

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 20 10.17am
Originally posted by Willo If this is the outcome in this country this will somewhat disastrous as far as I am concerned, seeing that I enjoy a tipple or two on a fairly regular basis in establishments which serve such products.Not forgetting of course the substantial damage to the businesses that offer this valuable service. I am getting increasingly irascible with head hung like a despondent mule.Whilst I sit as one frustrated hombre I am only too aware that there are those in a far worse position having lost loved ones to this deadly disease and others whose loved ones are in a serious condition. I think you need to prepare yourself for disappointment. Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet. With so much remaining unknown about the availability of a reliable antibody test and whether reinfection is possible, nothing can be really accurately anticipated. So these are only my best guesses at the moment. I cannot see pubs being opened again this year. Some restaurants perhaps where social distancing restrictions can be maintained but not anywhere where they cannot. I think it will be the same with shops, although the whole way we shop is likely to have been changed for ever by this. There won't be any mass gatherings at all until the nation has been vaccinated. So sport only on screen, behind closed doors. A slow relaxation on work, where it's safe to do so, might start in a month or so, but with controls over public transport and the age groups able to participate. Most people who can work from home will continue to do so. Schools will probably re-open though, once the peak has passed. It will cause too many social problems not to do so. As holidays will have to be spent at home this year I am wondering if the summer break will be shortened and schools kept opened with a more relaxed curriculum established. Higher education maybe not just yet, especially where students have to live away from home and are in close communities. This is going to be a long haul. Especially for those of us over retirement age who I suspect will be asked to stay locked down like this until this time next year. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 20 10.17am

Originally posted by Willo

I think you need to prepare yourself for disappointment. Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet.

With so much remaining unknown about the availability of a reliable antibody test and whether reinfection is possible, nothing can be really accurately anticipated. So these are only my best guesses at the moment.

I cannot see pubs being opened again this year. Some restaurants perhaps where social distancing restrictions can be maintained but not anywhere where they cannot.

I think it will be the same with shops, although the whole way we shop is likely to have been changed for ever by this.

There won't be any mass gatherings at all until the nation has been vaccinated. So sport only on screen, behind closed doors.

A slow relaxation on work, where it's safe to do so, might start in a month or so, but with controls over public transport and the age groups able to participate. Most people who can work from home will continue to do so.

Schools will probably re-open though, once the peak has passed. It will cause too many social problems not to do so. As holidays will have to be spent at home this year I am wondering if the summer break will be shortened and schools kept opened with a more relaxed curriculum established. Higher education maybe not just yet, especially where students have to live away from home and are in close communities.

This is going to be a long haul. Especially for those of us over retirement age who I suspect will be asked to stay locked down like this until this time next year.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Apr 20 10.21am
Originally posted by Badger11 Sorry why is the taxpayer paying for a political banner, that should be the Labour Party? I am sure there is a logical explanation!
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Spiderman

Horsham 14 Apr 20 10.21am

Originally posted by Badger11

Sorry why is the taxpayer paying for a political banner, that should be the Labour Party?

I am sure there is a logical explanation!

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Teddy Eagle 14 Apr 20 10.23am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think you need to prepare yourself for disappointment. Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet. With so much remaining unknown about the availability of a reliable antibody test and whether reinfection is possible, nothing can be really accurately anticipated. So these are only my best guesses at the moment. I cannot see pubs being opened again this year. Some restaurants perhaps where social distancing restrictions can be maintained but not anywhere where they cannot. I think it will be the same with shops, although the whole way we shop is likely to have been changed for ever by this. There won't be any mass gatherings at all until the nation has been vaccinated. So sport only on screen, behind closed doors. A slow relaxation on work, where it's safe to do so, might start in a month or so, but with controls over public transport and the age groups able to participate. Most people who can work from home will continue to do so. Schools will probably re-open though, once the peak has passed. It will cause too many social problems not to do so. As holidays will have to be spent at home this year I am wondering if the summer break will be shortened and schools kept opened with a more relaxed curriculum established. Higher education maybe not just yet, especially where students have to live away from home and are in close communities. This is going to be a long haul. Especially for those of us over retirement age who I suspect will be asked to stay locked down like this until this time next year. Thank you Cheeful Charlie.
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Teddy Eagle

14 Apr 20 10.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you need to prepare yourself for disappointment. Our expectations are being managed to keep people from getting too despondent but don't raise your hopes just yet.

I cannot see pubs being opened again this year. Some restaurants perhaps where social distancing restrictions can be maintained but not anywhere where they cannot.

I think it will be the same with shops, although the whole way we shop is likely to have been changed for ever by this.

There won't be any mass gatherings at all until the nation has been vaccinated. So sport only on screen, behind closed doors.

This is going to be a long haul. Especially for those of us over retirement age who I suspect will be asked to stay locked down like this until this time next year.

Thank you Cheeful Charlie.

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Apr 20 10.32am
Originally posted by Spiderman I am sure there is a logical explanation! Yes, reading it correctly Banner is a stationery supplier and this is the invoice for March Hahahahahahaha Edited by Mapletree (14 Apr 2020 10.50am)
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Mapletree

Croydon 14 Apr 20 10.32am