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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 22 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wisbech - I could not disagree more.
Germany and France want an EU state that primarily serves them - that is not just my opinion but it has been thus in the eyes of many more educated people than me for tens of years.
It is nothing more than controlling.
We will prosper in due course without them, of that I am sure.
The punishment for Brexit was China delivering a virus and Russia delivering a war.
No surprise that two dissatisfied communist countries decided to punish everyone for the sheer audacity of it.
Conspiracy theory maybe but too much of a coincidence in my eyes.
And back to the EU itself - Germany tried to take over Europe - and us - twice and failed, so then they tried - and still are trying - to do it in a different way and they don't like it when it works against them.

Then we will have to disagree.

During my business career I worked for 2 German companies, and was the UK Managing Director of one of them. A business which makes a product everyone here will know. I spent a lot of time in Germany, somewhat less in France and the rest of Europe. I got to know many German colleagues, both professionally and personally.

Nothing you suggest matches my own experiences and perceptions. The Germans are much better educated, on average, than us. They have a greater understanding of the values of democracy and partnership than us. It has been drummed into them by their education system which was radically overhauled by us, after WW2. In many ways we are responsible for modern Germany.

The Germans know that they need us to balance the French and were dismayed when we decided to leave the EU. They definitely don't want to control us at all. They need us. Modern Germans are more like the "us" I remember, than many of us are now, whilst some of us are now like the Germans my father fought against.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Oct 22 5.17pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Well worth a listen.

"How to steal a £trillion" on Radio 4.

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Radio 4 has been good at doing these in 2022, so have a look at the above, and others. They pull no punches

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Oct 22 5.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Events like Covid and the war happen, and effect everyone. Brexit had no need to happen and affects mainly us.

We shot ourselves in the foot, just at the time when we were about to catch a nasty disease and have to support a friend in trouble and find our costs rising.

The EU doesn't take people "along for the ride". It's not sightseeing trip. The EU provides the strength that goes with being a united and large market. It provides security and a voice at the biggest tables. In today's world it just makes more sense than relying on the model that served us during our imperialistic past. We need to erase the idea that we can recover what we have lost. Right now we are close to being laughed at, which is very sad.


Close to being laughed at Wisbech? The whole of Europe and USA is laughing at us! Leaving the biggest trading block in the world, and led by donkeys, blind , self serving donkeys at that, and no trade deals worth anything to show!
But, at least we know how to parrrrrrrrrty!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Oct 22 5.53pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

There was a BBC radio documentary about Britain's Financial sector (London) recently (I'll have to google it).
TO summarise a very complex issue, the British bankers have been laundering 'dirty' money for decades as a nice-little-earner. This is why the banking sector has largely been un-checked.

Yes, and a tv programme to-all that lovely Russian money flowing in to CON party HQ, whats not to like?

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Oct 22 6.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then we will have to disagree.

During my business career I worked for 2 German companies, and was the UK Managing Director of one of them. A business which makes a product everyone here will know. I spent a lot of time in Germany, somewhat less in France and the rest of Europe. I got to know many German colleagues, both professionally and personally.

Nothing you suggest matches my own experiences and perceptions. The Germans are much better educated, on average, than us. They have a greater understanding of the values of democracy and partnership than us. It has been drummed into them by their education system which was radically overhauled by us, after WW2. In many ways we are responsible for modern Germany.

The Germans know that they need us to balance the French and were dismayed when we decided to leave the EU. They definitely don't want to control us at all. They need us. Modern Germans are more like the "us" I remember, than many of us are now, whilst some of us are now like the Germans my father fought against.


I have stated before- the German and Dutch girls abroad in Spain are a credit to their country, all nice sandals, white jeans, slim, nice tops , classy! The same age brits walk around with sammy 69, blowy brenda and cum to tina on their shirts, guts and lils hanging out- chanting sexual innuendo- its a major embarassment for britain! Obviously one experience I saw, and not all brits can be accused of such behaviour- but I did think, "where did it all go wrong?", witnessing it from my hotel balcony!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Oct 22 6.10pm

Originally posted by croydon proud


I have stated before- the German and Dutch girls abroad in Spain are a credit to their country, all nice sandals, white jeans, slim, nice tops , classy! The same age brits walk around with sammy 69, blowy brenda and cum to tina on their shirts, guts and lils hanging out- chanting sexual innuendo- its a major embarassment for britain! Obviously one experience I saw, and not all brits can be accused of such behaviour- but I did think, "where did it all go wrong?", witnessing it from my hotel balcony!

I"ve already booked up for June without the mrs!

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Oct 22 6.15pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then we will have to disagree.

During my business career I worked for 2 German companies, and was the UK Managing Director of one of them. A business which makes a product everyone here will know. I spent a lot of time in Germany, somewhat less in France and the rest of Europe. I got to know many German colleagues, both professionally and personally.

Nothing you suggest matches my own experiences and perceptions. The Germans are much better educated, on average, than us. They have a greater understanding of the values of democracy and partnership than us. It has been drummed into them by their education system which was radically overhauled by us, after WW2. In many ways we are responsible for modern Germany.

The Germans know that they need us to balance the French and were dismayed when we decided to leave the EU. They definitely don't want to control us at all. They need us. Modern Germans are more like the "us" I remember, than many of us are now, whilst some of us are now like the Germans my father fought against.

That's also my experience of modern Germany.

As a guest-worker I queried the reason for the economic 'miracle'. Efficient German workers etc.?

The answer, not what I expected.

'Gute politische'.

Good politics, and their system was designed by the Allies post WW2.

If only we had designed one for ourselves.

Still we have the House of Lords and Eton.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Oct 22 6.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Th tories can forget about Wales, after this classic dressing down by First Minister Mark Drayford:-

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'You think you can come in here, claiming a moral high ground, after what you have done'.

Ouch


 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Oct 22 6.50pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I've never seen Drakeford lose his rag like that before. Tough times ahead.

If we copy the German political system, I think we should also adopt the Bundesliga regulations for the Premier League.

Overall , it is the UK political system that has allowed us to be monopolised by Graduates of Public Schools, and manipulated into this financial mess.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Oct 22 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then we will have to disagree.

During my business career I worked for 2 German companies, and was the UK Managing Director of one of them. A business which makes a product everyone here will know. I spent a lot of time in Germany, somewhat less in France and the rest of Europe. I got to know many German colleagues, both professionally and personally.

Nothing you suggest matches my own experiences and perceptions. The Germans are much better educated, on average, than us. They have a greater understanding of the values of democracy and partnership than us. It has been drummed into them by their education system which was radically overhauled by us, after WW2. In many ways we are responsible for modern Germany.

The Germans know that they need us to balance the French and were dismayed when we decided to leave the EU. They definitely don't want to control us at all. They need us. Modern Germans are more like the "us" I remember, than many of us are now, whilst some of us are now like the Germans my father fought against.


Act as a balance to the French to benefit Germany? How could anyone resist such an important role in world events? If Luxembourg start rearing up can we balance them too? This Brave New World looks marvellous.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Oct 22 7.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


I have stated before- the German and Dutch girls abroad in Spain are a credit to their country, all nice sandals, white jeans, slim, nice tops , classy! The same age brits walk around with sammy 69, blowy brenda and cum to tina on their shirts, guts and lils hanging out- chanting sexual innuendo- its a major embarassment for britain! Obviously one experience I saw, and not all brits can be accused of such behaviour- but I did think, "where did it all go wrong?", witnessing it from my hotel balcony!

Why aren't you down there among them CP?

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Oct 22 7.12pm

What"s the odds lizzy dripping will come down with a "mild" covid tonight and unfortunately, won"t be able to make tomorrows PMQ"S , primarily, to save any others catching it?

 

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