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I'm not back peddling I've been quite clear. To quote you actually "Ethnic minorities play the race card constantly for self interest purposes" You've managed to show me one article where one person played the race card in 2011. Forgive me for not being convinced that 'ethnic minorities' 'constantly' play the race card. Showing one person playing the race card is no more evidence that ethnic minorities play the race card than me calling white people racists and posting a link of Nick Griffin being racist It's a simple question and not a pedantic one so I don't know why you're struggling with it. Did you mean that occasionally one or two people who are from ethnic minorities may play the race card or did you mean what you said? OK. I clearly did not mean that ethnic minorities as a group play the race card, neither did I mean that the odd one or two do. I would say it is a lot more than the odd one or two but obviously not everyone. My point is that it is absurd to paint all white people as racists and all non whites as angels as the left wing media seem to do. It is this kind of PC/self interest nonsense that helps to create resentment. It is from the same school of inverse racism that says that it's ok for black people to use racist language about whites because some of their great great grandfathers were once kept as slaves. I'm not sure what that first point is trying to get across. It's certainly not a 'big' problem. There are not legions of ethnic minorities using the race card at every turn. There are bad apples of all racial groups of course. For every ethnic minority using 'the race card' I'm sure there's several CVs with 'ethnic' sounding names getting put in the 'no pile', so it's not like being an ethnic minority bestows some kind of magic advantage in society. As for the second point, for starters I don't think there is such a thing as 'inverse racism' or 'reverse racism' just racism. If a white person is attacked on racial grounds that to me should be treated as a racism attack I know often it isn't, and that's a problem. With racist names though, I would be lying if I said that someone calling me "honky" is likely to have the same psychological impact as someone seeing a black person and yelling out the n word. It's just common sense that it wouldn't for a myriad of reasons. Neither is right though.
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Farage will revel in taking part and will outperform everyone I think. Somebody on here mentioned that Cameron kept mentioning the economy. All you will get from Farage is the EU and immigration.What are their policies on the economy, NHS,Education, Law and Order etc etc ? Will they stand up to intense scrutiny ? Will Farage be their lone spokesman in the election campaign or will they dare to unleash some of the others other than their current two MPs Carswell and Reckless? Fascinating ! Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2015 7.17pm) I'm sure Farage will do just fine speaking about the economy. After all, being a former stockbroker he does have some first-hand experience on the matter as opposed to the others who are just career politicians. Farage wasn't a "stockbroker" (though his father was), he was a commodities trader. This basically involves betting on the future prices of various commodities; he tended to specialise in metals. Trading involves very much a gambler's mindset, and Farage apparently made some good bets and some bad ones, making and losing large sums for his employers. Working as a commodities trader confers no first-hand, second hand or even third hand experience of running a nations economy. The gambler's instinct has continued right up to the current election campaign. Farage has pledged that if he doesn't get elected as an MP in May he will resign as UKIP leader. He's put all his chips on red, and if black comes up he'll be gone, and so will UKIP. Wishful thinking Mr Balls. When Nige steps to one side, Douglas Carswell will lead UKiP. Carswell would be an excellent leader who would offer natural progression from Nige. You obviously like to get a boner from thinking that UKIP will all be over soon. It won't. Politics is only going to get more fragmented over the next few years and parties like UKiP and, unfortunately, the Greens, will be around for a while.
Fawlty; I believe he can do the silly walk as well! Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.00am) Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.02am)
Tell me, who will you vote for?
What appears to be indisputable is that polls have shown consistently for many months now that UKIP have support of about 12-14% of voters, which means that between 86 and 88% don't think they are fit to govern. This is likely to produce between 1 and 5 UKIP MPs, and they will finish second in around 100 constituencies. Unless Farage wins his seat, this is likely to be a high point for them. To make any real progress they would need some form of proportional representation to be introduced, which isn't likely to happen while Tories and Labour control things. I will be voting UKIP as will all my family. That does not mean we see the other party's as unfit to govern, Just that UKIP is a better choice for us. They will make a massive impact on the election. Whilst they have no chance of winning the more votes they get the quicker the other party's will start to adopt some of UKIP'S most sensible policies. Both highlighted parts show wasted votes I am afraid as it will not make other parties change anything. Each has its own agenda as we all know!
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matt_himself Matataland 29 Mar 15 3.56pm | |
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Farage will revel in taking part and will outperform everyone I think. Somebody on here mentioned that Cameron kept mentioning the economy. All you will get from Farage is the EU and immigration.What are their policies on the economy, NHS,Education, Law and Order etc etc ? Will they stand up to intense scrutiny ? Will Farage be their lone spokesman in the election campaign or will they dare to unleash some of the others other than their current two MPs Carswell and Reckless? Fascinating ! Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2015 7.17pm) I'm sure Farage will do just fine speaking about the economy. After all, being a former stockbroker he does have some first-hand experience on the matter as opposed to the others who are just career politicians. Farage wasn't a "stockbroker" (though his father was), he was a commodities trader. This basically involves betting on the future prices of various commodities; he tended to specialise in metals. Trading involves very much a gambler's mindset, and Farage apparently made some good bets and some bad ones, making and losing large sums for his employers. Working as a commodities trader confers no first-hand, second hand or even third hand experience of running a nations economy. The gambler's instinct has continued right up to the current election campaign. Farage has pledged that if he doesn't get elected as an MP in May he will resign as UKIP leader. He's put all his chips on red, and if black comes up he'll be gone, and so will UKIP. Wishful thinking Mr Balls. When Nige steps to one side, Douglas Carswell will lead UKiP. Carswell would be an excellent leader who would offer natural progression from Nige. You obviously like to get a boner from thinking that UKIP will all be over soon. It won't. Politics is only going to get more fragmented over the next few years and parties like UKiP and, unfortunately, the Greens, will be around for a while.
Fawlty; I believe he can do the silly walk as well! Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.00am) Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.02am)
Tell me, who will you vote for?
What appears to be indisputable is that polls have shown consistently for many months now that UKIP have support of about 12-14% of voters, which means that between 86 and 88% don't think they are fit to govern. This is likely to produce between 1 and 5 UKIP MPs, and they will finish second in around 100 constituencies. Unless Farage wins his seat, this is likely to be a high point for them. To make any real progress they would need some form of proportional representation to be introduced, which isn't likely to happen while Tories and Labour control things.
Of course, your rationale with them is different to UKiP, isn't it? No doubt you will be lauding the 'sensible' election of a Labour government whilst us in the 64% will be lamenting more debt, more punitive tax hikes, more social engineering, more unfettered immigration purely for the sake of it, more EU expansionist facism and zero debate on the direction we want our country to go in.
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I'm not back peddling I've been quite clear. To quote you actually "Ethnic minorities play the race card constantly for self interest purposes" You've managed to show me one article where one person played the race card in 2011. Forgive me for not being convinced that 'ethnic minorities' 'constantly' play the race card. Showing one person playing the race card is no more evidence that ethnic minorities play the race card than me calling white people racists and posting a link of Nick Griffin being racist It's a simple question and not a pedantic one so I don't know why you're struggling with it. Did you mean that occasionally one or two people who are from ethnic minorities may play the race card or did you mean what you said? OK. I clearly did not mean that ethnic minorities as a group play the race card, neither did I mean that the odd one or two do. I would say it is a lot more than the odd one or two but obviously not everyone. My point is that it is absurd to paint all white people as racists and all non whites as angels as the left wing media seem to do. It is this kind of PC/self interest nonsense that helps to create resentment. It is from the same school of inverse racism that says that it's ok for black people to use racist language about whites because some of their great great grandfathers were once kept as slaves. I'm not sure what that first point is trying to get across. It's certainly not a 'big' problem. There are not legions of ethnic minorities using the race card at every turn. There are bad apples of all racial groups of course. For every ethnic minority using 'the race card' I'm sure there's several CVs with 'ethnic' sounding names getting put in the 'no pile', so it's not like being an ethnic minority bestows some kind of magic advantage in society. As for the second point, for starters I don't think there is such a thing as 'inverse racism' or 'reverse racism' just racism. If a white person is attacked on racial grounds that to me should be treated as a racism attack I know often it isn't, and that's a problem. With racist names though, I would be lying if I said that someone calling me "honky" is likely to have the same psychological impact as someone seeing a black person and yelling out the n word. It's just common sense that it wouldn't for a myriad of reasons. Neither is right though.
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 28 Mar 2015 8.48am
I'm not back peddling I've been quite clear. To quote you actually "Ethnic minorities play the race card constantly for self interest purposes" You've managed to show me one article where one person played the race card in 2011. Forgive me for not being convinced that 'ethnic minorities' 'constantly' play the race card. Showing one person playing the race card is no more evidence that ethnic minorities play the race card than me calling white people racists and posting a link of Nick Griffin being racist It's a simple question and not a pedantic one so I don't know why you're struggling with it. Did you mean that occasionally one or two people who are from ethnic minorities may play the race card or did you mean what you said? OK. I clearly did not mean that ethnic minorities as a group play the race card, neither did I mean that the odd one or two do. I would say it is a lot more than the odd one or two but obviously not everyone. My point is that it is absurd to paint all white people as racists and all non whites as angels as the left wing media seem to do. It is this kind of PC/self interest nonsense that helps to create resentment. It is from the same school of inverse racism that says that it's ok for black people to use racist language about whites because some of their great great grandfathers were once kept as slaves. I'm not sure what that first point is trying to get across. It's certainly not a 'big' problem. There are not legions of ethnic minorities using the race card at every turn. There are bad apples of all racial groups of course. For every ethnic minority using 'the race card' I'm sure there's several CVs with 'ethnic' sounding names getting put in the 'no pile', so it's not like being an ethnic minority bestows some kind of magic advantage in society. As for the second point, for starters I don't think there is such a thing as 'inverse racism' or 'reverse racism' just racism. If a white person is attacked on racial grounds that to me should be treated as a racism attack I know often it isn't, and that's a problem. With racist names though, I would be lying if I said that someone calling me "honky" is likely to have the same psychological impact as someone seeing a black person and yelling out the n word. It's just common sense that it wouldn't for a myriad of reasons. Neither is right though.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 29 Mar 15 5.30pm | |
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So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card? There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are: 1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no. 2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world. I hate people who discriminate grrrr! Ok I'm gonna set two rules. 1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story 2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request. So
Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier. No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda. Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation. I'm not sure you understand what anecdotal means. I know that you don't try googling it. I doubt you would understand empirical if it came up and slapped you in the face. Do you want to try that first sentence again? Unacceptable prejudice against the dyslexic, as well.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 29 Mar 15 5.45pm | |
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So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card? There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are: 1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no. 2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world. I hate people who discriminate grrrr! Ok I'm gonna set two rules. 1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story 2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request. So
Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier. No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda. Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation. Technically both an anecdotal - Anecdotal evidence isn't something that should be dismissed entirely, and there are methodologies by which anecdotal evidence can be scientifically assessed (phenomenological and discursive analysis for example) - which have developed out a the question of observer bias seen in empirical social research. Unsurprisingly though racism isn't a white people thing, it would be racist to presume otherwise. There is a case, somewhat, for establishing that its more reasonable historically speaking, for a bias against white British people, given say the experience of UK Minorities at the hands of say the National Front and in some cases government support of prejudice (less common in racial issues in the modern era). I don't agree with the idea that reversed racism is acceptable however, as it encourages the acceptance of prejudice. Edited by jamiemartin721 (29 Mar 2015 12.01pm) Technically, empirical evidence can be by direct observation. Otherwise all witness testimony in court cases would be anecdotal. I suppose it is you or anybody's right to take it as mere hearsay. Anyway, this is turning into a mere philosophical debate, rather than the initial point that racism exists in minorities and that validated a UKIP supporter point of view. I dislike the term "reverse-racism", it seems a poor attempt at validation, and also open to philosophical deconstruction. Edited by pefwin (29 Mar 2015 5.47pm)
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So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card? There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are: 1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no. 2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world. I hate people who discriminate grrrr! Ok I'm gonna set two rules. 1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story 2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request. So
Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier. No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda. Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation. Technically both an anecdotal - Anecdotal evidence isn't something that should be dismissed entirely, and there are methodologies by which anecdotal evidence can be scientifically assessed (phenomenological and discursive analysis for example) - which have developed out a the question of observer bias seen in empirical social research. Unsurprisingly though racism isn't a white people thing, it would be racist to presume otherwise. There is a case, somewhat, for establishing that its more reasonable historically speaking, for a bias against white British people, given say the experience of UK Minorities at the hands of say the National Front and in some cases government support of prejudice (less common in racial issues in the modern era). I don't agree with the idea that reversed racism is acceptable however, as it encourages the acceptance of prejudice. Edited by jamiemartin721 (29 Mar 2015 12.01pm) Technically, empirical evidence can be by direct observation. Otherwise all witness testimony in court cases would be anecdotal. I suppose it is you or anybody's right to take it as mere hearsay. Anyway, this is turning into a mere philosophical debate, rather than the initial point that racism exists in minorities and that validated a UKIP supporter point of view. I dislike the term "reverse-racism", it seems a poor attempt at validation, and also open to philosophical deconstruction. Edited by pefwin (29 Mar 2015 5.47pm) Only if its observed by the person reporting it, if its relayed to them its anecdotal (which is often dismissed unfairly - as in social science empirical evidence has been heavily discredited by modern critical movements (such as in social psychology which has seen a massive shift away from the reliability of individual-social dualistic models towards agency-structure models. Witness evidence is arguably first hand source and anecdotal but is considered evidence, not because its special but because it corroborates other evidence (and typically the product of someone there at the time, rather than relayed from an source that is unknown and cannot be addressed). Plus witnesses are cross examined.
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I'm not back peddling I've been quite clear. To quote you actually "Ethnic minorities play the race card constantly for self interest purposes" You've managed to show me one article where one person played the race card in 2011. Forgive me for not being convinced that 'ethnic minorities' 'constantly' play the race card. Showing one person playing the race card is no more evidence that ethnic minorities play the race card than me calling white people racists and posting a link of Nick Griffin being racist It's a simple question and not a pedantic one so I don't know why you're struggling with it. Did you mean that occasionally one or two people who are from ethnic minorities may play the race card or did you mean what you said? OK. I clearly did not mean that ethnic minorities as a group play the race card, neither did I mean that the odd one or two do. I would say it is a lot more than the odd one or two but obviously not everyone. My point is that it is absurd to paint all white people as racists and all non whites as angels as the left wing media seem to do. It is this kind of PC/self interest nonsense that helps to create resentment. It is from the same school of inverse racism that says that it's ok for black people to use racist language about whites because some of their great great grandfathers were once kept as slaves. Edited by TheJudge (29 Mar 2015 1.35pm) They don't, at least not the media that's take seriously. PC movement would castigate the use of reverse racism except to highlight a greater social argument. Political correctness, as a movement is a social engineering concept geared towards highlighting an extreme, knowing that people will move half way towards that stance (ie by constantly focusing on absurd statements about race, you generate discourse on racism, that generally results in the polarisation around the absurd (ie the racists and looney left) and the rest of society move somewhere along the less racist line. Its about addressing the use of language in society and confronting what people consider acceptable. Even racists, now, are much less racist than they used to be. And it worked, maybe too well, as some idiots have become poltically correct as its own cause.
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In the least surprising news ever, Farage has said in an interview that he doesn't listen to music, read or watch TV. No wonder he's such a sheltered joyless c*nt.
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In the least surprising news ever, Farage has said in an interview that he doesn't listen to music, read or watch TV. No wonder he's such a sheltered joyless c*nt.
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In the least surprising news ever, Farage has said in an interview that he doesn't listen to music, read or watch TV. No wonder he's such a sheltered joyless c*nt.
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