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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 19 11.31am
Further to Johnsons briefing differently than his own minister on Northern Ireland. Now cancelled meeting the an important select committee for the third time. There were doubts about exactly how familiar Johnson was with the customs rules that he was attempting to rush through Parliament. Doesn't know his own deal, does he?
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steeleye20

Croydon 24 Oct 19 11.31am

Further to Johnsons briefing differently than his own minister on Northern Ireland.

Now cancelled meeting the an important select committee for the third time.

There were doubts about exactly how familiar Johnson was with the customs rules that he was attempting to rush through Parliament.

Doesn't know his own deal, does he?

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Maine Eagle USA 24 Oct 19 11.31am
Originally posted by the silurian Very well thank you....your point is?? I said that remain had lied. Just so happens leave lied way more, and way more egregiously. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 24 Oct 19 11.31am

Originally posted by the silurian

Very well thank you....your point is??

I said that remain had lied.

Just so happens leave lied way more, and way more egregiously.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.34am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It's not surprising that most MPs would be against having to resign if they changed parties mid term just as it isn't surprising that turkeys would prefer to scrap Christmas celebrations. Parliament is supposed to act in the best interests of the people and not the best interests of themselves and if the people want a by election to be held if an MP switches parties then that is what should happen. Let's have a referendum on it Since the last GE, the grand total of 51 MPs have changed parties and due to cowardice or stubborn arrogance have not taken the honourable decision to resign and fight a by-election under a new banner. Perhaps one shouldn't be surprised that with so many of these dodging their voters, Parliament won't grant the Government's wish for a GE.They fear a backlash and want to continue to be MPs for as long as possible.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.34am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's not surprising that most MPs would be against having to resign if they changed parties mid term just as it isn't surprising that turkeys would prefer to scrap Christmas celebrations.

Parliament is supposed to act in the best interests of the people and not the best interests of themselves and if the people want a by election to be held if an MP switches parties then that is what should happen.

Let's have a referendum on it

Since the last GE, the grand total of 51 MPs have changed parties and due to cowardice or stubborn arrogance have not taken the honourable decision to resign and fight a by-election under a new banner.

Perhaps one shouldn't be surprised that with so many of these dodging their voters, Parliament won't grant the Government's wish for a GE.They fear a backlash and want to continue to be MPs for as long as possible.

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Maine Eagle USA 24 Oct 19 11.35am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's just the same as leaving in terms of Parliament. The only thing stopping us leaving are Remainers. Please stop with this self delusion that leaving itself is the problem. That makes as much sense as the poll tax. The thing stopping you leaving is the complete discourse on how to leave, which is even rife on the leave side, and you know it. Hence a second referendum is required. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 24 Oct 19 11.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's just the same as leaving in terms of Parliament.

The only thing stopping us leaving are Remainers.
Please stop with this self delusion that leaving itself is the problem.

That makes as much sense as the poll tax.

The thing stopping you leaving is the complete discourse on how to leave, which is even rife on the leave side, and you know it.

Hence a second referendum is required.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 24 Oct 19 11.37am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Further to Johnsons briefing differently than his own minister on Northern Ireland. Now cancelled meeting the an important select committee for the third time. There were doubts about exactly how familiar Johnson was with the customs rules that he was attempting to rush through Parliament. Doesn't know his own deal, does he? It’s a shambles. Barclay didn’t even know it at the select committee. The tories don’t even know what their deal mandates in terms of trade frictions between NI and GB. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 24 Oct 19 11.37am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Further to Johnsons briefing differently than his own minister on Northern Ireland.

Now cancelled meeting the an important select committee for the third time.

There were doubts about exactly how familiar Johnson was with the customs rules that he was attempting to rush through Parliament.

Doesn't know his own deal, does he?

It’s a shambles.

Barclay didn’t even know it at the select committee.

The tories don’t even know what their deal mandates in terms of trade frictions between NI and GB.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Matov 24 Oct 19 11.38am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I said that remain had lied. Just so happens leave lied way more, and way more egregiously. LOL. Perhaps we should keep score on the lies? 500,000 jobs to be lost in the event of a Leave victory against say 350 million pound per week for the NHS? The only issue that matters when it comes to defining how 'legal' elections are is how the actual vote itself was conducted. And all I see is an exercise in democracy that was exemplary. A high turn out, each vote equally weighted and no issues around how it was counted or reported. In short, a wonderful example of how democracy should be conducted. And with a definite result achieved. What are the positives of having that undermined in anyway? What does that do for the future of our country? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

24 Oct 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I said that remain had lied.

Just so happens leave lied way more, and way more egregiously.

LOL. Perhaps we should keep score on the lies? 500,000 jobs to be lost in the event of a Leave victory against say 350 million pound per week for the NHS?

The only issue that matters when it comes to defining how 'legal' elections are is how the actual vote itself was conducted.

And all I see is an exercise in democracy that was exemplary. A high turn out, each vote equally weighted and no issues around how it was counted or reported. In short, a wonderful example of how democracy should be conducted.

And with a definite result achieved.

What are the positives of having that undermined in anyway? What does that do for the future of our country?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Oct 19 11.41am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle That makes as much sense as the poll tax. The thing stopping you leaving is the complete discourse on how to leave, which is even rife on the leave side, and you know it. Hence a second referendum is required. So Parliamentarians are not capable of agreeing on Brexit but the public is qualified? What are you smoking bud? I have already said that we ould have a referendum on deal or no deal only but what really needs to happen is for Jeremy Corbyn to give up his completely manufatured position on Brexit and allow the process to conlude.
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24 Oct 19 11.41am

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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

That makes as much sense as the poll tax.

The thing stopping you leaving is the complete discourse on how to leave, which is even rife on the leave side, and you know it.

Hence a second referendum is required.

So Parliamentarians are not capable of agreeing on Brexit but the public is qualified?
What are you smoking bud?

I have already said that we ould have a referendum on deal or no deal only but what really needs to happen is for Jeremy Corbyn to give up his completely manufatured position on Brexit and allow the process to conlude.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 19 11.43am
Originally posted by Willo In the final analysis, candidates standing for election stand under a party banner (Independents excepted) and they receive all the support of their local party in distributing leaflets, erection of posters etc etc, I know this only too well as I have carried out such activities for as long as I can remember! These candidates are not divorced from their respective parties, they stand under a party banner as they agree with their policies and principles in the main whilst of course having the latitude to vote according to their conscience unless of course they are "Whipped" in a different direction. Finally on the gargantuan number of occasion I have knocked on doors, experience has shown that residents do NOT talk about any individuals and all the talk is about parties and party policy. Apropos your final comment, The Labour Party has been taken over by marxists, there are well-known marxists on their front bench but how they run their party is a matter for them.We are not likely to find out for some time,how they influence a Labour government. Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 11.20am) I understand that the practicalities are as you describe but that doesn't mean that an MP changing their party must, or in my opinion should, resign their seat. They would claim that their principles remain exactly the same as when they were chosen by their electorate and it's the party that has changed. The time for change comes at the next GE when they must either not stand again or face the electorate and defend their viewpoint and actions. Until then they are the MP and have a job to do for all the people they represent. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 19 11.43am

Originally posted by Willo

In the final analysis, candidates standing for election stand under a party banner (Independents excepted) and they receive all the support of their local party in distributing leaflets, erection of posters etc etc, I know this only too well as I have carried out such activities for as long as I can remember!

These candidates are not divorced from their respective parties, they stand under a party banner as they agree with their policies and principles in the main whilst of course having the latitude to vote according to their conscience unless of course they are "Whipped" in a different direction.

Finally on the gargantuan number of occasion I have knocked on doors, experience has shown that residents do NOT talk about any individuals and all the talk is about parties and party policy.
Apropos your final comment, The Labour Party has been taken over by marxists, there are well-known marxists on their front bench but how they run their party is a matter for them.We are not likely to find out for some time,how they influence a Labour government.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 11.20am)

I understand that the practicalities are as you describe but that doesn't mean that an MP changing their party must, or in my opinion should, resign their seat. They would claim that their principles remain exactly the same as when they were chosen by their electorate and it's the party that has changed.

The time for change comes at the next GE when they must either not stand again or face the electorate and defend their viewpoint and actions. Until then they are the MP and have a job to do for all the people they represent.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 24 Oct 19 11.48am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle But you don't vote in a Tory, Labour or Liberal do you? You vote in a person to represent you, not a voting machine centrally operated from party headquarters. Who would you say was the greatest Parliamentarian? I would suggest that Winston Churchill would top many lists. Churchill changed party not just once, but twice because of his principles. Would you have wanted him to have to stand down? I don't want another referendum at all. I don't want any more referendums ever again. I want Parliament to decide. If this one can't then we ask a new one to try. Why don't you stand and then see if you can do any better? Sorry I disagree, I would vote for the candidate who is representing the PARTY whose policies I favour, not for them personally
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Spiderman

Horsham 24 Oct 19 11.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

But you don't vote in a Tory, Labour or Liberal do you? You vote in a person to represent you, not a voting machine centrally operated from party headquarters.

Who would you say was the greatest Parliamentarian? I would suggest that Winston Churchill would top many lists. Churchill changed party not just once, but twice because of his principles. Would you have wanted him to have to stand down?

I don't want another referendum at all. I don't want any more referendums ever again. I want Parliament to decide. If this one can't then we ask a new one to try. Why don't you stand and then see if you can do any better?

Sorry I disagree, I would vote for the candidate who is representing the PARTY whose policies I favour, not for them personally

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I understand that the practicalities are as you describe but that doesn't mean that an MP changing their party must, or in my opinion should, resign their seat. They would claim that their principles remain exactly the same as when they were chosen by their electorate and it's the party that has changed. The time for change comes at the next GE when they must either not stand again or face the electorate and defend their viewpoint and actions. Until then they are the MP and have a job to do for all the people they represent. We will have to agree to disagree on this matter but I respect your opinion and at least we can take alternative viewpoints without any vitriol or ordure.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We will have to agree to disagree on this matter but I respect your opinion and at least we can take alternative viewpoints without any vitriol or ordure.

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Spiderman Horsham 24 Oct 19 11.57am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Perhaps the tories were absent in order to read Johnson's agreement for first time, despite already having voted for it. If his deal had been to remain they wouldn't have even realised it. Actually parts of it are... Just like Corbyn voting against it before he had even seen it
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Spiderman

Horsham 24 Oct 19 11.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Perhaps the tories were absent in order to read Johnson's agreement for first time, despite already having voted for it.

If his deal had been to remain they wouldn't have even realised it.

Actually parts of it are...

Just like Corbyn voting against it before he had even seen it

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