Nah mate. You can.

Absolute disgrace

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Too late now, clearly

I was musing how long it would take for someone on this forum to claim another false flag or claim some slant of fake news to their warped benefit. I decided that it was too severe for someone to have the temerity to do so. I was wrong.

How far down the rabbit hole do you need to be to not only continually spew this utter garbage but believe it all, mostly without question or any sense of objectivity?

It never fails to amuse me how people who claim to distrust the 'MSM' and tell others to 'question everything' / don't be led / sheeple / you only read what you agree with, what you're told to etc. actually do the exact same. Except worse, because it's a much smaller pool of unregulated, unchecked, either fabricated or twisted content. They slavishly absorb it all, without question, from any source. Socials, forums, influencers – who require ever increasing audience driven monetisation to exist in a very competitive landscape (what could possibly go wrong with their total commitment to ethics and reliability I wonder) without objectivity. Anything that has even a slight whiff of the 'mainstream' is ignored or discounted.

Some of it must be true, statistically some of it has to be. But good luck wallowing through the cesspit to find it. Not to mention the terrible grammar.

The fact that the person that posted quickly realised it was complete tripe is reassuring but ultimately just adds to this. The drones will ignore the retraction and push it into their cesspit of narrative... once you're locked in, it's like religion. Even if you are confronted with facts, watertight arguments or data, you're so far in, you've committed for so long, that to decide that your entire belief system, the way you've lived your life for years, even decades, was wrong? No one wants to do that. Better to stay in your lane, double down and stick to your guns. Usually ends well. Equal parts amusement and despair.

Anyway. If you have a gun at home you're 80% more likely to use a gun on yourself than shoot someone else.

Every cloud.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

More than 1 mass shooting (4+ people killed) per day on average in the US, apparently. But I'd need to cross check that.

I think you can have some level of gun control without having to feel ideologically dirty. Besides isn't it more anti-authoritarian than anti-globalist or pro-decentralisation to hold the above view? The stances are connected in some ways but certainly not the same.

I'd argue it's more of an anti-authoritarian viewpoint. Decentralisation and de-globalisation doesn't mean or guarantee more independence for the population. Plenty of leaders and countries that demonstrate that fact, daily.

Besides – if you just choose to look at it logically, properly applied gun control is a no brainer. There are certain instances where if you have the power to act, you should. For all the complaining about rights and so on, we still have laws. And those laws were enacted to remove certain freedoms and rights to better society. Obviously not all work but just because a law or action removes freedoms or independence doesn't make it wrong, especially if the reasoning is factually and demonstrably sound.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (25 May 2022 6.17pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Good post.

My inclination has always been to believe that the roadmap is always inverted in these instances (which may be what you've implied however I'm already struggling to recollect at time of typing!) in that it's not so much about what they're digesting leading to the forming of an opinion but rather the search for anything to validate a view/opinion/belief they already hold - in which case there is no point entertaining anything that may be guised as a rational debate.

I do like the "I've posted x, y an z which you haven't bothered to look at' etc. As if there is hope these links will take you anywhere even close to a legitimate let alone safe source or bit of media.

Edited by Nicholas91 (25 May 2022 6.59pm)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I think that's mostly right.

I think the original motives of gun ownership have morphed over the years and it's multifaceted. On the right, from dissident to normie GOP, the societal distrust of the state has just grown stronger as the political parties moved apart. However, it's also on the left as with Democrats gun ownership now has strong numbers, maybe as a reaction to the right, I don't know.

Having lived all my life in the UK a high gun ownership society feels weird, however while it's half anglosphere the US is definitely not the UK and gun culture is deeply ingrained into the national consciousness.

By instinct I'm anti globalist and pro decentralisation, being a generation X white social conservative male that isn't very surprising......however I remember something you said on this point previously....you agreed that decentralisation is the best way to run societies but that it was no longer possible within the modern context. I think you may be right. The Russell Brands of the world may be fighting a good fight, but it's against a rising tide.

The more you think about it the more obvious authoritarianism is how things are panning out around a more connected world.....I think essentially it'll just come down to elites deciding which versions of it come out on top.

Perhaps Democracy's days....in the western sense are numbered.

In a country at peace with itself I think that's right. As I've said you wouldn't ideally start out with a society that contains anything like this level of guns.....just as you would start out with a single payer health system.

Let's not forget that the US does have gun control. With a country with so many guns if you want to carry out something sick like this you can pick up your weapons pretty easily.

Some say that more gun laws would just be punishing the law abiding gun owners while murderers could just buy their guns black market.

Still, that doesn't mean that some movement on gun ownership regarding mental health (as long as that didn't become a political game) couldn't be looked at.....Also gun markets apparently come with no background checks.

I'm just glad it isn't my problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2022 8.10pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

How right you are.